That Old Whore (page 3)

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It definately looks like a WATCHTOWER on her head!

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What makes you so sure that these symbols and stories have not permeated every culture from long ago?

What makes you so sure they share a common source?

They all share a common source and this is how they will be able to come together in a one world religion. As all religious groups and organizations begin to focus on their similarities, it will come about that their differences will begin to fade. One thing that will rapidly facilitate is when more information is exposed about the Abrahamic religions (Islam-Judaism-Christianity). Here are some sources you might want to explore:

The Abraham Complex: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=717010a2-47b3-46d9-bba8-39fd77ac99cc

Global Connections of Religion (PBS) Three Religions: One God http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/themes/religion/index.html

Muslims influenced by WTBTS http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/163938/1/Muslims-Influenced-by-WBTS

From those connections, the common denominator, Abraham, is traced back to Persian (India; Hindu) roots.

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In his book Moisés y los Extraterrestres, Mexican author Tomás Doreste states,

Voltaire was of the opinion that Abraham descended from some of the numerous Brahman priests who left India to spread their teachings throughout the world; and in support of his thesis he presented the following elements: the similarity of names and the fact that the city of Ur, land of the patriarchs, was near the border of Persia, the road to India, where that Brahman had been born.

The name of Brahma was highly respected in India, and his influence spread throughout Persia as far as the lands bathed by the rivers Euphrates and Tigris. The Persians adopted Brahma and made him their own. Later they would say that the God arrived from Bactria, a mountainous region situated midway on the road to India. (pp. 46-47.)

Bactria (a region of ancient Afghanistan) was the locality of a prototypical Jewish nation called Juhuda or Jaguda, also called Ur-Jaguda. Ur meant "place or town." Therefore, the bible was correct in stating that Abraham came from "Ur of the Chaldeans." "Chaldean," more correctly Kaul-Deva (Holy Kauls), was not the name of a specific ethnicity but the title of an ancient Hindu Brahmanical priestly caste who lived in what are now Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Indian state of Kashmir.

"The tribe of Ioud or the Brahmin Abraham, was expelled from or left the Maturea of the kingdom of Oude in India and, settling in Goshen, or the house of the Sun or Heliopolis in Egypt, gave it the name of the place which they had left in India, Maturea." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 405.)

"He was of the religion or sect of Persia, and of Melchizedek."(Vol. I, p. 364.)

"The Persians also claim Ibrahim, i.e. Abraham, for their founder, as well as the Jews. Thus we see that according to all ancient history the Persians, the Jews, and the Arabians are descendants of Abraham.(p.85) ...We are told that Terah, the father of Abraham, originally came from an Eastern country called Ur, of the Chaldees or Culdees, to dwell in a district called Mesopotamia. Some time after he had dwelt there, Abraham, or Abram, or Brahma, and his wife Sara or Sarai, or Sara-iswati, left their father's family and came into Canaan. The identity of Abraham and Sara with Brahma and Saraiswati was first pointed out by the Jesuit missionaries."(Vol. I; p. 387.)

In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle had said: "...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." (Book I:22.)

Clearchus of Soli wrote, "The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called 'Jerusalem.'"

"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ, and whose accounts from new inquiries are every day acquiring additional credit, says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)

Martin Haug, Ph.D., wrote in The Sacred Language, Writings, and Religions of the Parsis, "The Magi are said to have called their religion Kesh-î-Ibrahim.They traced their religious books to Abraham, who was believed to have brought them from heaven." (p. 16.)

In Hindu mythology, Sarai-Svati is Brahm's sister. The bible gives two stories of Abraham. In this first version, Abraham told Pharaoh that he was lying when he introduced Sarai as his sister. In the second version, he also told the king of Gerar that Sarai was really his sister. However, when the king scolded him for lying, Abraham said that Sarai was in reality both his wife and his sister! "...and yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife." (Genesis 20:12.)

The bible also states that Ishmael, son of Hagar, and his descendants lived in India. "...Ishmael breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his kin... They dwelt from Havilah (India), by Shur, which is close to Egypt, all the way to Asshur." (Genesis 25:17-18.) It is an interesting fact that the names of Isaac and Ishmael are derive from Sanskrit: (Hebrew) Ishaak = (Sanskrit) Ishakhu = "Friend of Shiva." (Hebrew) Ishmael = (Sanskrit) Ish-Mahal = "Great Shiva."

A third mini-version of the Abraham story turns him into another "Noah." We know that a flood drove Abraham out of India. "...Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, Even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor; and they served other gods. And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan." (Joshua 24:2-3.)

About 1900 BC, the cult of Brahm was carried to the Middle and Near East by several different Indian groups after a severe rainfall and earthquake tore Northern India apart, even changing the courses of the Indus and Saraisvati rivers. The classical geographer Strabo tells us just how nearly complete the abandonment of Northwestern India was. "Aristobolus says that when he was sent upon a certain mission in India, he saw a country of more than a thousand cities, together with villages, that had been deserted because the Indus had abandoned its proper bed." (Strabo's Geography, XV.I.19.)

"The drying up of the Sarasvati around 1900 BCE, which led to a major relocation of the population centered around in the Sindhu and the Sarasvati valleys, could have been the event that caused a migration westward from India. It is soon after this time that the Indic element begins to appear all over West Asia, Egypt, and Greece." (Indic Ideas in the Graeco-Roman World, by Subhash Kak, taken from IndiaStar online literary magazine; p.14)

"The Arabian historians contend that Brahma and Abraham, their ancestor, are the same person. The Persians generally called Abraham Ibrahim Zeradust. Cyrus considered the religion of the Jews the same as his own. The Hindoos must have come from Abraham, or the Israelites from Brahma..." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 396.)

Pas1975 17:56, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

a nice collection of sources you have here. Moisés y los Extraterrestres. Sarai-Svati. Subhash Kak. Sounds like you have enough material to start an Abraham and Hindu tradition article, but don't be offended if it ends up in Category:Pseudoscience :) dab (?) 18:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

See also Islamic view that call Abraham himself as "Khalil Ullah" that means "Friend of God"--Submitter to Truth (talk) 19:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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This "Enlightenment" of the New Age will stem back to Hinduism. People have yet to realize the very dark side of it.

chickpea

i thought this thread was about my father's mother....
the subject line uses the exact words my mother used

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Burntheships:

That looks like the Hindu goddess Kali to me. She has nothing to do with "the old whore". She works with Shiva the Destroyer.

Quite the contrary.

Mystery Babalon, The Mother of All Things, can appear ferocious and terrible to her enemies or seductive and sensual to her servants.

cameo-d

"BurntheShips: This is nothing to do with the harlot of Babylon, which is a euphemism for Rome."

If this is what you believe, then you have not shaken free of Watchtower teachings.

The harlot of Babylon is NOT a euphemism for Rome.

She is called MYSTERY BABYLON because 'she' is an alliance that goes back to the Mystery Schools where the prophets were educated.

Mystery Babylon predates Rome.

Wake-up!

jamiebowers

Because the Armageddon clock is ticking. jws get all tingly when a new drawing of her comes out and she looks older than last time.

In the next publication, I hear she is going to be wearing Depends and carrying her dentures in a jar.

Rebel8, you are soooooooooo funny!

Scarred for life

Rebel8:

Thanks for the laugh. You guys are really making me roll tonight. Thanks everybody!

cameo-d

Here's another interesting take on the old whore. Does anyone know why she might have an affiliation with the statue of liberty?

JimmyPage

In Fruit of the Loom culture she is portrayed as Babylon the Grape:

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May 12, 2005

Artists Inspired by the Bible

A review of the first show of the Museum of Biblical Art in New York City, which looks at how evangelical Christianity has influenced self-taught artists and includes the work of Robert Roberg, above.

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