E'noch - What happened?

by elder-schmelder 13 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  elder-schmelder

  Bible story book:

  One day Jehovah God had E´noch tell the people something they did not want to hear. It was this: ‘God is someday going to destroy all the bad people.’ The people were probably very angry to hear this. They may even have tried to kill E´noch. So E´noch needed to be very brave to tell the people about what God was going to do.

  God did not let E´noch live a long time among those bad people. E´noch lived to be only 365 years old. Why do we say “only 365 years”? Because men in those days were much stronger than now and lived much longer.

  Hebrews 11:5

  5 By faith E´noch was transferred so as not to see death, and he was nowhere to be found because God had transferred him; for before his transference he had the witness that he had pleased God well.

  Genesis 5:24

  24 And E´noch kept walking with the [true] God. Then he was no more, for God took him.

  "God had transferred him"

  "God Took Him"

  Where did he transfer him or take him?

  elder-schmelder
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  Leolaia

  To heaven.

  There was an enormous amount of speculation in ancient Judaism about what happened to Enoch. All of it placed him in heaven, as the heavenly scribe who writes down the deeds of everyone who has ever lived, as the "Son of Man" who will return as the Anointed One, as one of the "two witnesses" who would return to earth with Elijah before Judgment Day, as glorified by God into the archangel Metatron, as glorified as the lesser YHWH, etc.

  The NT references to Enoch are part of this larger interpretive tradition.
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  civicsi00

  I wish I knew... I believe Elijah was also whisked away mysteriously..
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  Elsewhere

  I think it was something like when they shoot someone with Phasers On High in Star Trek.

  They don't really "die" leaving a body... they just vaporize out of existence. POOF!

  That is the reward the gawd of the bible grants anyone who is a bit "too good": POOF! VAPORIZED!
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  Leolaia

  Elsewhere....I would think the transporter beam is a better parallel? At least it transfers a person somewhere.
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  elder-schmelder

  The only thing that would make sense to me would be that he was transfered to Heaven.

  If JW's believe that after you die you are nothing, then E'noch would not have been transfered, he would have died. So if he was transfered that would mean that he had to go somewhere.

  elder-schmelder
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  RubaDub

  I read that he was "taken" to some of the remote islands in the South Pacific.

  In fact, in Tahiti, the word "Enoch" roughly translates to "that guy appeared out of nowhere."

  Rub a Dub
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  elder-schmelder

  Now I have been reading all about E'noch and I find out that the Book of E'noch is one of the books that did not make the bible.

  According to Watchtower logic (if there is any logic in the Watchtower), when the NT quotes from the OT then that proves that God's name should be in the NT.

  If this is true then should not the book of E'noch be in the bible because the book of Jude quotes from it?

  The book is referred to, and quoted, in Jude 14-15 :

  "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these [men], saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."

  Compare this with Enoch 1:9, translated from the Ethiopic:

  "And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him."

  elder-schmelder
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  sir82

  If this is true then should not the book of E'noch be in the bible because the book of Jude quotes from it?

  Official Watchtower explanation (there's a Questions from Readers from a while back on this):

  Both Jude and the writer of the Book of Enoch quoted from an uninspired, but reliable, earlier document written by someone else. So Jude is not really quoting from "The Book of Enoch", but instead from that other source. It's just a remarkable coincidence that the writer of the Book of Enoch did so too.

  Really - that's it.

  You can't make this stuff up.
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  elder-schmelder

  I have come to the conclusion that the only way that this religion can make any sense, is if you just pass all thinking over to the covering body and just take what ever answer they give you.

  elder-schmelder