Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 3-22-09 WT Study (UNDESERVED)

by blondie 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    They'll quickly go back to emphasizing the public harassment preaching work. I think it's much of the usual lip-service to encourage good works for favorable PR. However, the sheeples are leaving nearly as quickly as new sheeples are recruited. They have been coming up with gimmicks to make the numbers look favorable. Even with their recent changes in counting, and reducing meeting times, they are barely keeping up with global population growth. When they stop disclosing the reports, everyone will know it's serious bad news and it will be very demoralizing for the dubs. They are working hard to bring more in the front door, while the recently baptized are leaving out the back door. If they can't hold onto the numbers with creative bookkeepping, maybe they need to try something different. I think they acknowledge the problem of retention in para. 12:

    12 As evangelizers, we employ whatever teaching skills we may have in trying to touch the hearts of our fellow men with the uplifting message of God's Kingdom. In that way, we hope to help them to become Christ's disciples. However, we also use whatever abilities and other gifts we may have in trying to warm the hearts of our fellow believers with uplifting words and helpful deeds--expressions of God's undeserved kindness. (Prov. 3:27; 12:25) In that way, we hope to help them to remain Christ's disciples. In both activities-preaching to the public and "ministering to one another"--we have the wonderful privilege of serving as an instrument in Jehovah's hand.--Gal. 6:10.

    Their usual lack of good works and social networking often leave new recruits feeling like outsiders once the "love bombing" ends. Even if they do start working hard on the "ministering to one another" thing, they still aren't teaching "the truth" and "the end" isn't "soon". It's like watching a train wreck in "super slow-motion".

    B the X

  • blondie
    blondie

    I remember these years. People relaxed realizing that their whole life, not just d2d was sacred service. That it was just as important as d2d. But the the numbers dropped, really due to the disappointment over 1975. ** w76 10/1 pp. 598-600 Rendering Sacred Service Night and Day ***

    OUR WHOLE LIFE COURSE A "SACRED SERVICE"

    9"Sacred service," then, is not something that occupies only a portion of our lives. It is not limited to just one activity or a certain number of activities but it takes in every aspect of our daily living. It can be summed up by these words: ‘Keep doing all things as unto Jehovah, whether eating or drinking or doing any other thing.’ (1 Cor. 10:31) Showing how all-embracing this service should be, the apostle says at Romans 12:1, 2: "I entreat you by the compassions of God, brothers, to present your bodies a sacrifice living, holy, acceptable to God, a sacred service with your power of reason. And quit being fashioned after this system of things."

    10

    Many things are involved, but your aim, your goal and your heart motivation are key factors in determining whether what you do is really "sacred service" or not. For example, among us are many parents. Part, in fact, a large part, of your "sacred service" to God involves your children. Psalm 127:3 says that they are "an inheritance from Jehovah." Are you caring for that inheritance as unto him and for his glory? This too is a "night and day" feature of your service, for God’s Word points out that parents should be instilling God’s fine principles into their children from the time they get up until the time they lie down. (Deut. 6:4-9) To do this, a basic thing is to study the Bible with them. But a parent should not say to himself, ‘I have a Bible study once a week with my children, just as I have with other people. Therefore that is enough for them to know what is right and to follow Bible principles.’ This is just not true. Remember, the Bible says that children of a believing parent are viewed by God as "holy" or sacred. (1 Cor. 7:14) How would you treat something left in your care that you knew was sacred to God? Would you not guard it most carefully every day, day and night?

    11 What you do now to teach and discipline your children could well save them. On the other hand, if you are lax now, you may lose them. That is, the time may suddenly come—before you know it—when your words to them fall on deaf ears. The world will have more influence over them than you will have. Then, how will God view the way you have handled property sacred to him?

    12 To instill God’s Word in the children all day long does not mean constant preaching to them. It calls for your exemplifying what God’s truth is all about by your daily life and conversation. On every occasion, either by your loving, close relationship with them and your friendly, intimate association and free communication, you can help them to appreciate Jehovah God, his wisdom, his love and the rightness of his ways. Listen to them, reason with them. When giving instructions or jobs for them to do, or in disciplining, show why, and explain the good results of obeying you as a parent and, consequently, of obeying God as Head over all.

    13 You cannot simply try to have a "good child" in the sense that the world uses that term. Of course, you want your child to be well-mannered, respectful, honest, and considerate of others. But you want him or her to be that way because, above all, your child has come to know and to love Jehovah God. For your upbringing of your child to be different from the world’s youth, and to be truly a "sacred service," the child’s mind and heart must be directed toward Jehovah, so that he or she becomes a praiser of Jehovah.—Ps. 148:12, 13.

    14 Husbands and wives can render "sacred service" by making their marriage successful and an honor to God’s institution of marriage. A man or a woman may be very kind and pleasant to others, patiently putting up with mistakes or even suffering indignities and injuries from them without retaliation. But when it comes to the marriage mate, a husband or a wife may be quick to anger, ‘reading between the lines’ of what the mate says, with a ‘chip-on-the-shoulder’ attitude, looking for an occasion to find fault. Or the couple may cut off communication with each other. No matter what other things a married person may do, he or she is not fully rendering acceptable "sacred service" to God if he or she ignores the sacred marriage covenant.—Eph. 5:22-25, 29.

    15 Housewives have a fine opportunity to perform acceptable "sacred service" to God. Their fine works that others can see would certainly include keeping a neat, clean house, taking care of the cooking and the clothing needs of the family. For what is more on display to others than one’s home? A wife’s hospitality, her readiness to help her neighbors, particularly her willingness to ‘put herself out’ to assist other sisters in the congregation in whatever their needs may be—these are sacrifices in which God is well pleased. When people know these things about her, then her public declaration of the good news in the congregation territory will have a more powerful influence.—Acts 9:36-41; Titus 2:4, 5.

    16 If children in the household are concerned with rendering "sacred service" to Jehovah they can show respect for their father and help their mother in bringing honor to God by helping them to keep the house in good, clean order. And where parents are not in the truth the children can do much in this way to cause the parents to honor God. Their conduct before schoolmates, respect for teachers, telling others about the good news when opportunity affords and working closely with the congregation in things done at the Kingdom Hall and sharing in the field service, certainly are things God counts as "sacred service" to him. (Prov. 20:11; Titus 2:6-8) A good test of your service, as to whether it is true "sacred service" or not, is the question you might ask yourself: ‘Do I go in the field service, perhaps carrying Bible literature to others?’ That is commendable. But, now, also ask yourself: ‘At school and elsewhere, what is my conduct? Do I do what worldly youths do? Or do I remember that I am to render "sacred service" to Jehovah night and day?’ You, like others, can do much to interest people in the good news by your daily conduct and fine attitude.

    17 Christian elders are also called on to serve night and day. Part of your "sacred service" is on behalf of your brothers, caring for their spiritual needs. To the elders of the Ephesus congregation, the apostle Paul could say: "Therefore keep awake, and bear in mind that for three years, nightandday, I did not quit admonishing each one with tears." (Acts 20:31) Your brothers today need your help no less than the brothers in Ephesus needed help back in the first century.

    18 Can you do what Paul did, serving day and night? Paul’s words do not necessarily mean that he spent every minute in talking or preaching. No, for in Acts 20:34 he goes on to mention how he worked with his own hands doing secular work so as to attend to the material needs of himself and of those laboring with him. In fact, in writing to the Thessalonians, he said: "Certainly you bear in mind, brothers, our labor and toil. It was with working night and day, so as not to put an expensive burden upon any one of you, that we preached the good news of God to you."—1 Thess. 2:9.

    19 Yes, Paul sometimes was occupied not only in the day but also in the evening in secular work, such as tentmaking. But it is important for us to ask: Why did he do this? Was it for materialistic reasons or due to a desire for luxuries? No, but as he himself says, it was "so as not to put an expensive burden" on his brothers. He set an example in this so that no one could accuse him of leading a soft life through the financial support of those to whom he was serving the good news. Because his motive and aim were to advance the truth and eliminate any stumbling blocks in the minds of those he served he could be said to be engaging in God’s service even during those secular working hours. But what if his motive had been selfish, if he had not been doing all things as unto Jehovah and for the advancement of the Kingdom interests? Then his work would have been no different from that of any other secular work. It would not have been a "sacred service."

    1980

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    w80 8/15 p.31 Questions From Readers

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    Does this "sacred service" mean simply ‘living a good life,’ being a fine example in raising and providing for one’s family, keeping the house clean, applying oneself at school, and so forth? Hardly, for the Israelites did such things over and above the sacred service that Jehovah commanded them to perform. (Ex. 7:16; 12:25, 26 [la·trei´a, Greek SeptuagintVersion]) And though the Sabbath law required them to ‘render service, and do all their work six days,’ certain sacred services were carried on even during the seventh day, such as at festivals and in giving instruction in the synagogues.—Ex. 13:5, 6; 20:9; Acts 13:14, 15; 18:4.

    Today, there are people who live clean, moral lives, but who have no interest at all in God or his purposes. Surely their lives cannot be described as "sacred service." Obviously, this has to do specifically with service to God, done out of appreciation for sacred things—something out of the ordinary that calls for the sacrifice of time and energy. It is different from secular work or everyday living, though with Christians this also should be done "for God’s glory."—1 Cor. 10:31; Rom. 1:9.

  • Mary
    Mary
    Reniaa said: I'm not sure I agree with leolaia analogy because Jesus clearly showed the main goal was the message and making disciples.

    I've had a totally shit week, but of course, seeing Reniaa's useless comments makes me realize that things could be alot worse. Reniaa, there is not one scripture that says Jesus preached from door to door, required his followers to turn in a field service report, or even that he believed half the crap that the WTS tried passing off as "truth". Of course, to braindead Witnesses like yourself, these inconvenient facts are completely ignored.

    The bible is quite clear that "not all are evangelizers are they?" showing that not every first century Christian preached. Everyone has different gifts and Christians are certainly not under obligation to perform the exact same work. Of course, the Borg loves cookie-cutter Christians who don't ask questions like this. Try reading the bible Reniaa instead of the Craptower. You'll see that Jesus spent just as much time performing miracles and doing charitable work as what he did preaching.

    I can't help but wonder how many hours you count on your field service report when you post on here. Are we all Return Visits?

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Reniaa,

    Thank you for quoting those verses. Clearly, Jehovah's Witnesses have NO PART WHATSOEVER in preaching this good news...but are accursed. You may want to reference galatians ch 1 verse 8

    But even if we, or (A) an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!

    Oh, and just in case you think Jesus went door to door...he said he didn't.

    18 verse 20:

    20 Jesus answered him, "I (AD) have spoken openly to the world; I always (AE) taught in synagogues and (AF) in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and I spoke nothing in secret.

    However, he preached love above all other things...including the preaching work you mention. That summed up the whole law.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Reniaa, do you pad your hours and placements? LOL

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    Commet from JW board on this article.

    We feign closeness but we are not, and it is affecting the congregations,
  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    You can talk about theology all day long, but I really think what most people get or want out of religion is a sense of community. If you don't have that sort of connection with other members, really what is there?

    I would venture to say many of the WTS problems have at their core a lack of love. If it was a sincere, caring environment where members genuinely looked for each other, they'd be in a much different place today.

  • LUKEWARM
    LUKEWARM

    Hi Blondie,

    Those balanced 1976 articles were written by Ray Franz. He says about them in his Christian freedom book:

    "Back in 1976, as a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, I was assigned to prepare material on the subject of 'sacred service' and the resulting Watchtower articles were titles 'Appreciating the Treasure of Sacred Service' and 'Rendering Sacred Service Night and Day'. The material was based largely on a discussion of the Greek term latreuo, translated 'to render sacred service' in the New World Translation. Both articles presented scriptural evidence that sacred serviced to God is not something restricted to particular activities such as preaching or meeting attendance, something engaged in during certain separate, special times in certain special places or ways, but is all-embracing, something to be lived, service that takes in all of life. It showed that the scriptures speak of 'sacrifices to God' that include, not only 'fruit of lips which make public declaration to his name,' but also the 'doing of good and sharing of things with others, for with such sacrifices God is well pleased'... Many found this information refreshing, expressing that it brought greater meaning to their lives and made them feel that things other than just 'field service' and meeting attendance counted. Not all were pleased, however. After a time, some of the travelling Overseers, whose main work was (and is) to push 'field service,' complained to the Service Department that the outlook presented undercut their promotion of such activity. By placing other features of life on an equality with 'field service,' it diminished the importance of what they were doing and took some of the power out of their urgings for 'more hours in the field.' I personally know of no others who expressed objections...In 1980, shortly after my resignation from the Governing Body, another set of articles appeared in the August 15 issue of the Watchtower designed to return to the application of 'sacred service' only to such things as field service and meeting attendance..."

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  • truthseeker
    truthseeker

    Renaii,

    Your point would have made more sense if we were living at the end of the first century:

    Matthew 24:14
    And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the endwillcome.

    and the apostles embraced this so yes while we do have all different roles in the congregation we all still have the directive to preach laid on us. since I do not see any appostles of Jesus's not doing it while they did obviously have different functions as group members.

    the fact that holy spirit is the gift to help facilitate this is witheld from no one and this is shown in acts when 500 get blessed with it.

    Acts 1:8
    But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

    I have to say in context of living in the 21st century and having not seen the "kingdom of the heavens drawing near" this ceasless emphasis on recruitment is wearing very thin.

    Either the bible has been mistranslated and we don't understand what the "conclusion of the system of things" means or Jesus has not delivered on his promise made two millenia ago to bring the "conclusion of the system of things" because in the book of Acts, Paul declares that the good news has been preached throughout all creation.

    The end should have come then and I could be reclining on my chair in paradise sipping a martini instead of having my faith destroyed by the Watchtower and its failed predicitons.

    Christianity is also about living, yes, living, helping one another, showing love for one another, using our gifts to help each other - these actions also "give a witness" as to our mode of conduct.

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