They make me Sick!! (page 2)

wary

The thing is lisa I do that kinda thing.

She knows I love the weekends with her and the kids and we spend all summer on the beach and have picnics etc and she has been missing a few meetings.

But then the guilts set in and meetings seem to pacify her conscience.

I think I have to get her to read stuff for herself rather than me telling her like some crazed poztate.

I was probably the same or worse, Id never miss a flamin meeting, shes caught it from me and now I want out, so I know I cant expect her to stay away till she learns what I now know. I have to be patient I know as 'password' says.

wary

Sarah Smiles

You are the one who changed so why should she leave the organization? It sounds like it is your problem and not her problem. Maybe she is happy with her life and your not?

Look at this way, at least she not hanging out on the streets looking for drugs or hanging out in a bar leaving you at home with the kids.

It just seems like your anger is coming from some place else! What is it that your not telling us?

wary

Yes miss smiles I have changed.

I have woken up to the fact that the WBTS are full of shit.

My anger comes from the fact that they have drip fed me crap for forty years!

That is the only agenda here. All I wish is for my wife, (in her own) time to wake up to this fact also, but its her choice.

All I said is it that it sickenens me the hold the WTS has had over people, myself included.

Look at this way, at least she not hanging out on the streets looking for drugs or hanging out in a bar leaving you at home with the kids.

What the hell has that got to do with anything!

wary

yknot

Maybe do a real 'Bible Study' with her as a couple on the suggested family study night.

Both of you can then prepare a lesson for your children to do every other weekend. Start with Bible Basics including coloring pages, craft ideas, word finds and easy Bible passage look-up worksheets that are not from the WTS.... let her see the fun other Xian kids have learning about the Bible. Make her comfortable with the material.

This way when she skips a weekend she won't feel as guilty if you are doing a home-bible lesson.

Focus on indoctrination practices outside of the KH, like taking a nature hike and admiring all of God's creation and the science of some.

reniaa

I come back to have a quick look and find 101 how to try and manipulate a JW partner to not be one.

What happenned to another human having the right to belief what they want as a free thinking human?

I have had a non-believing husband and if he asked I would answer. I go on the doors people know why I am there and can shut the door in my face and I walk away from the door wiping the dust off my feet but I feel truly sorry for these JW spouses whose partners are listening to your very underhand tactics on how to get their partners out of the Jws. To me real love is honest and also respecting another humans viewpoint.

and before you say it I would say the same thing to a JW if they were trying the same tactcs.

yknot

Living in a divided household usually means knowing and understanding each other's views.

It isn't wrong to wish for unity and even yoked-ness..... for as much as he wants her out she probably wants him in.

Compromise is key to any relationship.

He just left and is reeling in his discovery of deception of the WTS. Of couse man's ego is in every organized denomination.

This post and these feeling are part of his spiritual journey.

reniaa

I would agree with you if they didn't also read like instructions for him to manipulate her but I do commend the ones like yours that advise compromise and respect.

carla

Renia, if you said the same thing to a jw with a non jw spouse you would risk df-ing. Oh, that's right, the jw's you defend don't accept you do they? You yourself are not allowed in the exclusive cult, err, club.

My jw was asked point blank to lie and to attempt to sneak out of the house by jw's! Don't tell me jw's are honest and care about marriages with non believers.

reniaa

carla I'm not wanting to get stuck on this thread but a person should be free to practise their religion so if a non-Jw spouse is forcing then to stop going to meetings then the non-Jw is definitely in the wrong.

When it comes to hoping your spouse becomes a Jw I was always taught 'to win without a word' and answer questions that were put to me but also show respect and love. this is a human I chose as a life partner why would I ruthlessly try and stop them doing anything that as a adult they have a right to choose for themselves?

I have to say I'm not fond of the argument that " 'abc' does such and such so I can" this is often an excuse for some extreme control tactics

Children are a different issue and the couple have to come to some sort of agreement which for my own case was we both decided to teach what we ourselves believed and the children would choose for themselves as they grew.

take are reniaa.

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quietlyleaving

reniaa

Part of leaving JWs is the realization of how one is manipulated into becoming a witness in the first place so please don't talk to us about respect, and the right to think for oneself.

If we're going to talk about honesty than is it honest to erect a facade of respectability over something that conceals tyranny and coercion?

They make me Sick!!

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