Why no earthly hope for those in 1st Century and onward???

by oompa 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • oompa
    oompa

    Thinking about this paradise thingy lately, possibly due to A@G's video. Just because WT figures out there is both a earthly hope in addition to a heavenly hope around 1936 i guess, how did they come up with the idea that ALL Christians prior to that date were all heavenly? There was no big date prophesied like 1914 regarding 1936, so how did they decide the number 144k were sealed then, and that everyone from then on will be stuck on earth?

    To further add to the confusion, now WT has decided the 144k is NOT sealed and they are still being called for heavenly duty. (can somebody give me the WT that new lite was in?) SOOOO that means that NOW a dual calling is taking place!!! If that is true, then why could this not be the case since Jesus death? It would be the perfect answer as to how in the fluck the 144k number has not been filled (man i hate to hand the GB that).

    Does anyone know of any Early Martyr Database? Any record or estimate of how many thousands of early Christians died in the first 100 years or so after Jesus death? I mean the odds that 144k had not been filled ages ago is almost impossible!....

  • sir82
    sir82
    that means that NOW a dual calling is taking place!!! If that is true, then why could this not be the case since Jesus death?

    Sounds like you just supplied the inspiration for a "new light" WT study article for 2012 or 2013 or so when the number of memorial partakers rises to an embarrassing level.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    May 1, 2007 Question from Readers

    Yes, Oompa, it is demonstrably false that there were fewer than 144,000 Christians that died prior to the 20th century. In other words, had the number been literal and there was only one hope from the beginning, the 144,000 was reached long before Russell was a twinkle in his parents' eyes.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    According to Revelation 21 and 22, Heaven is coming to Earth.

    It is always a good practice to read the Bible plainly.

    Tee hee hee.

    Sylvia

  • bob1999
    bob1999

    *** w07 5/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***

    When does the calling of Christians to a heavenly hope cease?

    The Bible does not reveal a precise answer to that question. We do know that the anointing of Jesus’ disciples with a view to their heavenly inheritance began in 33 C.E. (Acts 2:1-4) We also know that after the death of the apostles, genuine anointed Christian "wheat" came to "grow together" with counterfeit Christians, "weeds." (Matthew 13:24-30) Then, starting in the late 1800’s, anointed Christians were again prominently active. In 1919 "the harvest of the earth," including the gathering of the final ones of the anointed, began to be reaped.—Revelation 14:15, 16.

    From the late 1800’s until 1931, the main thrust of the preaching work was the gathering of the remaining members of the body of Christ. In 1931 the Bible Students took the Bible-based name Jehovah’s Witnesses, and in the November 15, 1933, issue of TheWatchtower, the thought was expressed that this unique name was the "denarius" referred to in Jesus’ parable recorded at Matthew 20:1-16. The 12 hours mentioned in the parable were thought to correspond to the 12 years from 1919 to 1931. For many years after that, it was believed that the call to the heavenly Kingdom had ended in 1931 and that those called to be joint heirs with Christ in 1930 and 1931 were "the last" called. (Matthew 20:6-8) However, in 1966 an adjusted understanding of that parable was presented, and it became clear that it had nothing to do with the end of the calling of the anointed.

    In 1935 the "great crowd" of Revelation 7:9-15 was understood to be made up of "other sheep," Christians with an earthly hope, who would appear on the world scene in "the last days" and who as a group would survive Armageddon. (John 10:16; 2 Timothy 3:1; Revelation 21:3, 4) After that year, the thrust of the disciple-making work turned to the gathering in of the great crowd. Hence, especially after 1966 it was believed that the heavenly call ceased in 1935. This seemed to be confirmed when almost all who were baptized after 1935 felt that they had the earthly hope. Thereafter, any called to the heavenly hope were believed to be replacements for anointed Christians who had proved unfaithful.

    Without a doubt, if one of the anointed unrepentantly falls away, Jehovah does call another individual to take his place. (Romans 11:17-22) However, the number of genuine anointed ones who have become unfaithful is likely not large. On the other hand, as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.

    How should a person be viewed who has determined in his heart that he is now anointed and begins to partake of the emblems at the Memorial? He should not be judged. The matter is between him and Jehovah. (Romans 14:12) However, genuine anointed Christians do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special "insights," beyond what even some experienced members of the great crowd may have. They do not believe that they necessarily have more holy spirit than their companions of the other sheep have; nor do they expect special treatment or claim that their partaking of the emblems places them above the appointed elders in the congregation. They humbly remember that some anointed men in the first century did not qualify to serve as elders or ministerial servants. (1 Timothy 3:1-10, 12, 13; Titus 1:5-9; James 3:1) Some anointed Christians were even spiritually weak. (1 Thessalonians 5:14) And sisters, although anointed, did not teach in the congregation.—1 Timothy 2:11, 12.

    Hence, anointed Christians along with their other sheep companions strive to stay spiritually strong, cultivating the fruitage of the spirit and working for the peace of the congregation. All Christians, whether anointed or of the other sheep, work hard at preaching the good news and making disciples under the direction of the Governing Body. Anointed Christians are content to do this for as long as it is God’s will that they remain on earth as Jehovah’s servants.

  • bob1999
    bob1999

    "All Christians, whether anointed or of the other sheep, work hard at preaching the good news and making disciples under the direction of the Governing Body. Anointed Christians are content to do this......"

    So it's not the FDS class that has the answers, it's the GB!!!!

    Now there are two hopes but three classes. I don't remember reading any of that in the bible.

    Give me a break.

  • dismayed
    dismayed

    Man, the current writing staff must just hate Rutherford/Franz for all of their whacked out ideas. And they just keep covering for them, pulling one thing after another out of their backsides.

    On a similar note, I read once that scholars think there were something like 1 million Christians in the first century alone. Can anyone cite a source on this? it may be most helpful in a discussion I'm having right now.

  • oompa
    oompa

    dismayed, that is kinda what i was after too...Christianity spread like wildfire.....there must be some records or estimates.....where is Josephus when you need him?

    and thanks bob1999.......so not until May 2007 did WT or God decide that Enrollment for each Class was happening at the same time?......and the way it is written it kinda indicates that, well, geeze, it may have been happening since 1935 even though were were pretty sure it had stopped in 1935 in 1966.....

    but just because they "understood in 1935" the other sheep were earthbound........WHY did they decide then that from that point on, all called must be earthlings?!?!?.......why the fluck could this dual enrollment thing have been going on since jesus day?........and why do i even care????

  • civicsi00
    civicsi00

    It was Rutherfraud who instituted this fraud. And don't you know it was because he received messages from angels that he started teaching this crap? Makes you wonder which angels he was speaking with...

    The current explanation is that one of the anointed who had been resurrected to heaven was the one communicating this "truth" to earth. Makes you wonder...

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Oompa..You were surprised The WBT$ is full of Sh*t.....You drive your Wife crazy with that fact..LOL!!.....Then you post about New WBT$-BS you`ve figured out and are suprised again!!.....And..Ask:"Why the WBT$ so full of Sh*T?"..On another subject!........LOL!!.........I have faith in you..Your going to figure it out..LOL!!.............................OUTLAW

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