BIG - Irish Gov't Told to Set National Policy on JWs and Blood (page 2)

skeeter1

Please read the following from www.ajwrb.org. http://www.ajwrb.org/physicians/banner_web.pdf This is a power point presentation. The fifth page has really good information on how doctors can help the JW patient.

The Irish Governmetn is trying to come up with what is "informed consent" for JWs.

Let's look at the word, "informed." Are JWs informed on blood? Does the misinformation place a duty on the doctors and hospitals to clear up the JWs flawed information on blood transfusions (i.e. risk of aids, etc) versus JWs flawed information on abstaining from bood (i.e. risk of dying from no blood). Put some examples of how you found out you were misinformed. Fractions? Risks? Techniques? Flip flops of doctrine?

Let's look at the word "consent." Do JWs autonomously consent to forego blood? Does disfellowshipping/disassociation/shunning factor play a coercive role? How about how your blood cards are signed in a public meeting with an elder present and other JWs in the room to ensure compliance? How about the Society's recommending that the elderly population or others with no family in the Truth give a medical power of attorney to the elders? How about the Hospital Liason Elder and deluge of JWs who patrols the hospital room and hallways. What about the Society rule that other JWs are to tattle-tale on JWs who commit a serious sin.

Most of all, please write these three and tell them about your experiences. Send a Watchtower article or documents if you are able, or point them to stuff on the Web.

Again, thanks to St. Ann and all who write. Sure, it's fun to talk about politics, hanky-panky, and other popular topics....but this forum can also be used as a grass roots movement. Think about it, Ireland is about to dictate how to deal with JW patients. Ireland is in a position, like Bulgaria, to pressure the Watchtower to make changes. But, Ireland does not know about the JWs....and it's our duty to help inform then. So, please, everyone write an e-mail, letter, etc.

skeeter1

Please read the following from www.ajwrb.org. http://www.ajwrb.org/physicians/banner_web.pdf This is a power point presentation. The fifth page has really good information on how doctors can help the JW patient.

The Irish Governmetn is trying to come up with what is "informed consent" for JWs.

Let's look at the word, "informed." Are JWs informed on blood? Does the misinformation place a duty on the doctors and hospitals to clear up the JWs flawed information on blood transfusions (i.e. risk of aids, etc) versus JWs flawed information on abstaining from bood (i.e. risk of dying from no blood). Put some examples of how you found out you were misinformed. Fractions? Risks? Techniques? Flip flops of doctrine?

Let's look at the word "consent." Do JWs autonomously consent to forego blood? Does disfellowshipping/disassociation/shunning factor play a coercive role? How about how your blood cards are signed in a public meeting with an elder present and other JWs in the room to ensure compliance? How about the Society's recommending that the elderly population or others with no family in the Truth give a medical power of attorney to the elders? How about the Hospital Liason Elder and deluge of JWs who patrols the hospital room and hallways. What about the Society rule that other JWs are to tattle-tale on JWs who commit a serious sin.

Most of all, please write these three and tell them about your experiences. Send a Watchtower article or documents if you are able, or point them to stuff on the Web.

Again, thanks to St. Ann and all who write. Sure, it's fun to talk about politics, hanky-panky, and other popular topics....but this forum can also be used as a grass roots movement. Think about it, Ireland is about to dictate how to deal with JW patients. Ireland is in a position, like Bulgaria, to pressure the Watchtower to make changes. But, Ireland does not know about the JWs....and it's our duty to help inform then. So, please, everyone write an e-mail, letter, etc.

skeeter1

Please read the following from www.ajwrb.org. http://www.ajwrb.org/physicians/banner_web.pdf This is a power point presentation. The fifth page has really good information on how doctors can help the JW patient.

The Irish Governmetn is trying to come up with what is "informed consent" for JWs.

Let's look at the word, "informed." Are JWs informed on blood? Does the misinformation place a duty on the doctors and hospitals to clear up the JWs flawed information on blood transfusions (i.e. risk of aids, etc) versus JWs flawed information on abstaining from bood (i.e. risk of dying from no blood). Put some examples of how you found out you were misinformed. Fractions? Risks? Techniques? Flip flops of doctrine?

Let's look at the word "consent." Do JWs autonomously consent to forego blood? Does disfellowshipping/disassociation/shunning factor play a coercive role? How about how your blood cards are signed in a public meeting with an elder present and other JWs in the room to ensure compliance? How about the Society's recommending that the elderly population or others with no family in the Truth give a medical power of attorney to the elders? How about the Hospital Liason Elder and deluge of JWs who patrols the hospital room and hallways. What about the Society rule that other JWs are to tattle-tale on JWs who commit a serious sin.

Most of all, please write these three and tell them about your experiences. Send a Watchtower article or documents if you are able, or point them to stuff on the Web.

Again, thanks to St. Ann and all who write. Sure, it's fun to talk about politics, hanky-panky, and other popular topics....but this forum can also be used as a grass roots movement. Think about it, Ireland is about to dictate how to deal with JW patients. Ireland is in a position, like Bulgaria, to pressure the Watchtower to make changes. But, Ireland does not know about the JWs....and it's our duty to help inform then. So, please, everyone write an e-mail, letter, etc.

skeeter1

BTTT. I can't beleive that this thread is back by 4 pages. This is IMPORTANT.

StAnn

bttt

StAnn

skeeter1

BTTTTT.

What do JWD members want? Apparently, no one is really interested in this post. That makes me really sad that posters do not care. This has so many views, but hardly any posts. I'm disgusted.

purplesofa

skeeter,

I am reading this now,

I will formulate a letter and get it off tomorrow,

Thanks for posting this,

purps

skeeter1

Thanks Purps!!!! You're an angel!!!! Together, we CAN make a positive change.

DT

Thanks for posting this. I sent an email to the NHO. I thought I would concentrate on the issue of vulnerable individuals who might not be able to give implied consent. This is what I wrote:

"I have been reading about efforts to coordinate a national policy about dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses and blood transfusions in Ireland.

I respect and support an individual's right to reject medical treatments that conflict with their religious beliefs. My concern deals with vulnerable individuals who may be improperly coerced to reject treatments that might be in their best interest.

I was raised in the Jehovah's Witness religion. The practices of Jehovah's Witnesses can make it difficult to determine if an an individual is truly giving informed consent, especially if they are a vulnerable individual or are experiencing a temporary diminished capacity for decision making.

I now feel that much of the information I was given about the dangers of blood transfusions in Watchtower literature was inaccurate and deceptive. Unfortunately, Jehovah's Witnesses do not allow criticism of their policies or literature. This could lead to to expulsion and shunning that could effectively destroy their family ties and support network. This left me in a position where I was not free to express my concerns or hear the concerns of others.

Any Jehovah's Witness who accepts a blood transfusion is subject to expulsion and shunning. They are told that they won't be given a resurrection if they die or that they will likely be destroyed at Armageddon if they survive. This is reinforced by graphic images and descriptions in their literature about the terrible day of Armageddon. I believe that these facts should be considered in the case of any vulnerable individual who is pressured to refuse a blood transfusion.

Thank you for considering this important matter. I don't envy the task of formulating a plan that protects the rights and safety of Jehovah's Witnesses. I hope this information will be useful.

Sincerely,
......

purplesofa

great letter DT

thanks for sharing it,

purps

BIG - Irish Gov't Told to Set National Policy on JWs and Blood

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