Freedom of Religion?

by DT 11 Replies latest jw friends

  • DT
    DT

    It's amazing how the Watchtower Society uses "freedom of religion" as a legal protection to violate the religious freedoms of others. The punishment for leaving their religion is so severe that many people stay to avoid being cut off from their family and friends. These people don't really have freedom of religion.

    The courts are generally reluctant to interfere in the internal dealings of a church (they might make an exception in extreme cases like child abuse) so the Watchtower Society has a lot of freedom to use intimidation and the threat of breaking family ties to enforce its own will. They can always argue that person in question willingly subjected themselves to the authority of the Watchtower Society by getting baptised.

    I don't like this, but it doesn't look like it will change in the near future.

    This has already been discussed extensively on this site. I don't want to beat a dead horse. I just want to explore what seems to be a small weakness in the Watchtower Society's legal position. I'm not planning on suing or encouraging others to do so. I'm curious and think its wise to consider possible weaknesses, especially if the legal climate changes in the future.

    The Watchtower position assumes that a Jehovah's Witness can leave their religion at any time, even if the consequences for doing so are severe. You could even draw the conclusion that if the Watchtower Society wishes to enforce their will on their members, they have a minimum responsibility to at least not interfere with a member's right to resign.

    I have learned from personal experience that it is much more difficult to resign from Jehovah's Witnesses than many people think. My experiences have caused me to wonder if the Watchtower Society is living up to their minimum responsibilities to not interfere with an individual's right to choose or reject a religion. If not, then it could put their entire legal defense concerning "willing membership" in jeopardy.

    Of course, anybody who wants to resign from Jehovah's Witnesses can just send a disassociation letter. I have done so, yet I'm not entirely satisfied. I feel that the Watchtower Society has some responsibility to do something about it. I can send as many letters as I want, but this doesn't mean that my right to withdraw my membership is being respected.

    It appears that the Ex Mormon community has given this issue more thought than us Ex Jehovah's Witnesses. I have done some reading and it appears the Ex Mormons have a belief that the Mormon church has a legal responsibility to respect their letters of resignation, remove them from their membership lists and actually inform the person that this has happened. This makes sense, but I don't know if there are any strong legal precedents to support this, other than vague references to the Bill of Rights and a person's right to freedom of (or from) religion.

    I have sent a letter of disassociation and multiple follow up letters, but haven't received any response or indication that the Watchtower Society has done anything about it. I am being shunned, but this could just be a result of the personal letters I sent. I expect that an announcement was probably made (or maybe not, because my letter contained some legal threats), but it seems that I should have a right to be informed about this or at least informed that my name has been removed from their membership lists.

    I know the Watchtower Society is reluctant to send correspondence to an apostate like me. They don't want to have a paper trail that can be used against them in a lawsuit. However, it seems that this also weakens their legal defense that membership in their religion is voluntary.

    I have also heard about people being disfellowshipped without their knowledge. I wonder what the legal consequences are of that. It seems like they would have to inform the person in order for their relationship to be properly terminated.

    I look forward to your opinions or any information you might have. I should state that I'm not qualified to give legal advice and I'll assume the same for any who wish to respond.

  • parakeet
    parakeet

    The only successful lawsuit against the WTS that I've heard but cannot confirm is the one in which the WTS settled out of court concerning the molestation of minors by an adult JW.

    Maximum control with minimal liability has been the WTS's hat trick for more than 100 years. If a dub wants out, he's "free" to go. If the exiting dub needs psychiatric help to overcome their indoctrination (a common occurrance) or that he/she may be shunned by their parents, spouses, children, and friends is, in the WTS's view, entirely the responsibility of the exdub.

    So far, I've not heard of any successful suit against the WTS for the misery they cause.

  • DT
    DT

    bttt

  • LockedChaos
    LockedChaos

    I prefer Freedom

    FROM

    Religion

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    many people stay to avoid being cut off from their family and friends. These people don't really have freedom of religion.

    DT...I see your genius coming through. It's ALL in the way you word it!

    use intimidation and the threat of breaking family ties to enforce its own will. They can always argue that person in question willingly subjected themselves to the authority of the Watchtower Society by getting baptised.

    it could put their entire legal defense concerning "willing membership" in jeopardy.

    WT brags about their court cases to "win freedom of religion" and parades absolute arrogance as though they have been the original innovaters.

    What poetic justice it would be to turn those very words around with these truths you have so succinctly presented and use their own rope to hang themselves.

    What a fitting death for this corrupt organization!

    I have sent a letter of disassociation and multiple follow up letters, but haven't received any response or indication that the Watchtower Society has done anything about it.

    It certainly stands to reason that if you are expected to put something in writing that you should receive a confirmation of acceptance in return to finalize the deal!

    Once you have finalization you should not have to be bothered with a perfunctory "yearly investigation follow-up" from the elder hounders.

    This is a great idea. I think everyone who is DA'd should demand an acceptance of disassociation letter!

    This is a rather brilliant idea you have and the wording is perfect.

  • DT
    DT

    "I think everyone who is DA'd should demand an acceptance of disassociation letter!"

    I think that's only fair. If dissassociation results in a lifetime of shunning, it would be nice to at least have some confirmation that you are no longer a member of that evil organisation. I would keep it as a souvenir. It's a small courtesy, but not one that the Watchtower Society is willing to grant.

    I think the implications are profound. If they won't respond to disassociation letters, why bother? You could just claim that not going to meetings amounts to resignation and when you resign they can't disfellowship you. The Mormon church has gotten into legal trouble for expelling people after they already resigned. Perhaps this is related to the rumors that the Watchtower Society will start viewing lack of meeting attendance as disassociation. It is dangerous for them to take judicial action against someone who can claim they are no longer a member.

    I think they are scared to have any paper trail connected with membership lists. I'm sure they are concerned that these records could be used in court cases (especially pedophilia cases). It also appears that the Watchtower Society is trying to insulate themselves from the local congregations. I can imagine a time when the Watchtower Society simply claims that people resign by their actions and that it is impossible for them to maintain any kind of official membership lists. Its just awkward for people like me who are shunned because of rumor, but don't have any way of confirming their official membership status. I have a plan for forcing this issue, but I don't want to give out any details at this time.

  • DT
    DT

    If I had the time and money, I would love to sue the Watchtower Society for interfering with my right to freely resign from their religion. It would totally avoid the legal complexities of internal judicial policies and shunning. Freedom of religion would be the only issue and they would find themselves accused of violating religious freedom instead of using it as a lame defense.

  • Mrs. Fiorini
    Mrs. Fiorini

    Very interesting topic DT. I, also, have been thinking of the irony of an organization who complains, rightly so in many instances, about being denied freedom of religion, and then denies their followers the same.

    Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights adopted by the UN says, "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."

    Article 19 says, "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

    Part 2 of article 20 says, "No one may be compelled to belong to an organization."

    It is clear to me that the WT violates these principles, therefore violating the human rights of their followers. They, like other cults, use manipulation and mind control techniques to influence their followers, and do so in a deceptive manner. This is a fundamental violation of the above stated rights.

    I hope that one day there will be a way to prevent them from doing this.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    How do you define freedom of religion?

    Should I be free to get to Paradise to get my six virgins by strapping a bomb to my chest and lighting the fuse in a crowded market place, if that is what my religion promotes?

    It is very difficult to legislate freedom without trampling on someone else's freedom.

    I suggest that there are better ways of spending your time than 'persecuting' a dangerous mind control cult that needs that persecution to fulfill its self fulfilling prophesies.

    As my wife said the other day, "Everything you do to destroy my faith in Jehovah makes me stronger!"

    Cheers

    Chris

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/173698/1/Awake-1950-bookmarked-and-searchable-in-pdf

    Dowload this 1950 Awake! volume and read the July 8 issue,

    MASTERS OF INTOLERANCE

    Quotations from Catholic publications disclose the Hierarchy's views on intolerance

    Cheers

    Chris

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