by cameo-d 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Blondie's right. Also, a toast involves two or more people more or less simultaneously raising their glasses (with or without clinking), but the JW's only pass a single glass. It's apparent from reading the gospel accounts of the last supper that a single cup was passed around.
This is not the issue. The issue is that JW's don't drink from the glass/cup.
But cameo-d loves to throw any old nonsense out there just to be provocative for the sake of it. I suppose its a form of attention-seeking.
Just to be sure, cameo, you should go tonight. When the glass gets to you, stand up, raise the glass, and go into a 5-minute Best Man sort of speech saying what a great guy Jesus is. Wrap it up with a resounding "To Jesus!" and take a sip. Then sit down, pass it, and act like nothing happened.
but the JW's only pass a single glass.
That's because JWs are notorious for being cheap bastards. They don't want to supply glasses for everyone and buy enough wine for all the glasses. This way they also ensure no one partakes™.
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Rebel8: Just to be sure, cameo, you should go tonight. When the glass gets to you, stand up, raise the glass, and go into a 5-minute Best Man sort of speech saying what a great guy Jesus is. Wrap it up with a resounding "To Jesus!" and take a sip. Then sit down, pass it, and act like nothing happened.
ROFLMAO. Rebel8, I bet you are always the hit of the party! I would consider your suggestion if I could go as your guest!
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But cameo-d loves to throw any old nonsense out there just to be provocative for the sake of it. I suppose its a form of attention-seeking.
This is not true.
I think there has to be an origin to this form of "toasting" or whatever it is; I don't think WT just 'made it up' this way.
I would like to find where this "glass passing" ceremonial aspect came from.
Did this come from a Gaulish murder ritual, where the elite drank in victory from the skull of the fallen enemy?
Did the warriors pass the severed head as a token of partnership?
Did this type of memorial ceremony develop from a sinister bloody victory ritual?'
In past civilizations the blood ritual was utilized by the ruling class as a major political tool.
The rulers dramatized the ritual and used it to intimidate their subjects and to convince them of the necessity.
It also serves to enforce a class distinction.
ps. I know the story of the "last supper". Paul was first to write of the account. Bear in mind...Paul was not even there! Paul never even met Jesus, and never heard him speak. There appears to be scriptural reference that Paul was a relative of King Herod. Paul also had a lot of time on his hands to write stories while he was in prison. Half of the new testament was written by a man who did not know Jesus. And the most stern judgemental christian doctrines come from Paul's writings and ideas. Did Paul belong to a secret society that infiltrated Jesus's followers after his death? There seems to be hints about this.
the meaning behind them sound similar to me.
ROFLMAO. Rebel8, I bet you are always the hit of the party!
Not really. More like the sober one, leaning on the back wall, making wisecracks and talking about trivial things that only I find interesting.
I would consider your suggestion if I could go as your guest!
Sure, on one condition: We will attend the kh in the Bahamas, and you pay travel expenses. It will be worth it, I promise. I'll bring Smurf dolls with tiny Watchtowers for them to read. I'll also plant those chips from musical greeting cards under the carpet, so "Happy Birthday to you" will be heard whenever someone steps on it.
We will attend the kh in the Bahamas
Sounds like a plan to me! I wonder if anyone is game to plan an apostafest for Bahamas this summer? Is your passport in order?
" Paul never even met Jesus"
I think the bible teaches otherwise.
Acts 9:3-5
As Saul traveled along and was approaching Damascus, a light from heaven suddenly flashed around him. He dropped to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?" He asked, "Who are you, Lord?" The voice said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.
Peace
" Paul never even met Jesus"
I think the bible teaches otherwise.
Acts 9:3-5
As Saul traveled along and was approaching Damascus, a light from heaven suddenly flashed around him. He dropped to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?" He asked, "Who are you, Lord?" The voice said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.
Peace
Bob, I think that is called an auditory hallucination.
There is a difference between the actuality of meeting and speaking to a physical person and imagining you hear the voice of someone you have never listened to before.
Under those circumstances it would be a stretch to make a positive identity.
