by compound complex 14 Replies latest jw friends
Greetings:
Of course, I realize that not all members of the board would have a belief-basis to answer the above.
For the sake of discussion, however, do you see examples - biblical [applicable in our day] or extra-biblical - wherein an individual intent on serving God in loyalty and truth could be directed by His spirit to act courageously against the Society's enforced "conscience"?
Thanks.
CoCo
Yes.
The Holy Spirit is in direct opposition to the WT. They teach that anyone who displays the gifts of the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, healing, words of knowledge does so "by another spirit", not the Spirit of Jesus. I have had JWs tell me that directly :(
No change to the scribes here.
22 And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons."
23 So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27 In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house. 28 I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. 29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."
30 He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."
All the best,
Stephen
Yes. It's called Christianity.
Hi CoCo,
I remember talking with an elder once about a brother whom he was being negative about (because of independant thinking). This bro was an ex-elder, a lot of experience, intelligent and understanding of people as he had been through the school of hard knocks in life. He had some different angles on some scriptures that were opposite of the wtbs, in particular the 1914 generation. I posed the question that this brother could be right, that the holy spirit seems to present in his personality and his life in general, so what's stopping him from having a correct understanding?
Man, I was nearly executed by the firing squad that day. NO, only the gb or big wigs from Brooklyn can have the h/spirit give them new light/understanding. Then the usual line of waiting on Jehovah/being patient/dribble.....
But in answer to your question, yes!
Mattieu
The Holy Spirit could, and most certainly does!
Maddie
The book, "Organized to accomplish our ministry
Page 32…. "They would be individuals who have the COURAGE to speak up when wrongdoing exists and take the needed action to correct it and thus protect the flock from any who would exploit them"
This is one I used against the elders many a time, they didn’t like it one bit, when you used the society’s own words
This was my spirit, spirit of exasperation at the elders.
KT
"They would be individuals who have the COURAGE to speak up when wrongdoing exists and take the needed action to correct it and thus protect the flock from any who would exploit them."
Out of their own mouths ...
Excellent!
Many thanks, Jim, Stephen, Jeff, Mattieu, Maddie and KAYTEE, for taking the time to reply.
Gratefully,
CoCo
Good question. It's not really an example of the 'holy spirit' as such, but the prophets in the Old Testament were always outsiders looking in. God never used the leaders to put things right..he always got some someone lowly to expose the leaders. The prophets were often ridiculed or killed for their pronouncements against the apostate leaders of the nation.
Well according to the WTS, holy spirit can be 'blocked' by the actions of members.......
The thing about this question is that it opens up the possibility for the WTS being 'reformed' by holy spirit should the leaders change their ways.
....... Would the HS also intervene in other denominations/religious organizations who have placed equal emphasis on interpretations of their founding men as with universally accepted Bible 'troofs'?.....
