Am i correct in my thinking that there is one GB member that isn't one of the annointed?
Nah they all partake.
yesidid
Who's Really To Blame?
by AllTimeJeff 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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yesidid
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sspo
There is no hate here since i used to be one of them for 32 years and served for 29, behaved like the rest of them.
I can accept the people and have compassion for them but down deep i feel that the GB knows that they are full of shit and
probably don't beleive in it anymore but continue to dispense the crap.
I hate the watchtower for what being bloodguilty for the last 140 years.
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Mrs. Fiorini
I try to separate the people from the organization. I think everyone associated with the WT is a victim of it. Even the current members of the GB (and I have a lot of mixed feelings about them) came into this thing after it was already a dangerous and abusive cult.
The org has become a kind of monster, transcending the people who are part of it. Sometimes I wonder if that is a type of demon.
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quietlyleaving
when I read what JW apologists write it reminds me of how I used to be and how I would have liked it to have been and wonder if putting in my 2p worth might trigger a different way of thinking in the apologist, cos it just might - you never know. And then of course everyone wants to have their say.
But we have to exercise restraint, I agree. It bothers me, though, when JW apologists go after newbies who have had to work up the courage to post in the first place.
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iknowall558
@ MrsFiorini " I think everyone associate with the WT is a victim of it"
I agree 100% with what you said.
@ Alltimejeff Yes, we all defended and stood by everything the org. taught because we were committed, fully trusted , and made a vow to do so to the end. But we did this, knowing nothing of the dynamics of their control, their hypocrisy, their lies, their punishments and their non Jesus love. None of us were FULLY informed and our choice / decision to join was based on only partial knowlege of their organization.
Some may say that you're only a victim as long as you allow yourself to be one. But you must remember that you are a victim because of a REAL situation where you have been wronged by another. We have all been the victim of a mighty swindler, who has deceived and cheated us by their dishonesty.
When some on here are being "verbally attacked", what you are really hearing is the pain, hurt and anger that comes with the realization of what the org. is all about. We have been subject to a serious power imbalance, and while some may bounce back quite quickly, for others, the recovery is a long and painful process.
Many of us have left, being told that it was all OUR fault and not theirs. Some have been left with no family support, and almost all of us have been presented with a heavy sack of condemnation as we walked out the door.
All the Reniaas and suchlike are also victims as someone else mentioned. The only difference is that they are not fully aware of it yet. I do hope these ones keep coming here, and I do hope they wake up. I appreciate what you,re trying to say, but you must remember that although we FULLY understand where they are, as we have been there ourselves......They do not understand where WE are, or have any insight into what some people have gone, or are going through, and nor will they until they come out themselves. Their view of us - is the Society's view of us. We are Filthy Apostates ! But when this does happen Jeff, and they do wake up, you know that these ones will be flooded with sympathy and support from us here on the forum, as we dol truly understand what it feels like for someone trying to make sense of everything.
They may feel they have the" magic " to try and bring us back to the' true religion', but they are representing a place that is hateful to all on here. Imagine someone coming out of an abusive relationship after many years with no confidence or self esteem, still recovering from being battered and bruised and someone came to them to tell them how great their ex-partner was, and what a lovely person they were and how stupid they were to leave them. What kind of reaction would be provoked by this on the part of the abused one.? Emotional ? Angry? Explosive?
Nothing different happens here. As far as the Org. is concerned these ones shouldn't even be on here so do they have the right to be offended ?
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iknowall558
How To Spot Religious Abuse This is a very interesting site.
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Amha·aret
Here, here Jeff!
I don't think I've ever got in to a tangle with any of the pro-jws who post on here. The more responses/attention they get, the more they beliefs are entrenched.
I feel sorry for the average jw who just don't know any better but I do have a hard time understanding those who do know what the gb have done and continue to do and yet they still don't wake up. I wonder if there is any hope for those people.
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thomas15
It's not Who's Really to Blame, it's what is to Blame. The answer is Sin.
Again, I'm a conservative Evangelical. I'm not anti-JW anymore than I'm anti-Roman Catholic. I believe that we are saved, as the Bible teaches by God's grace, through faith in the risen Son of God. The Bible also teaches, very clearly in my opinion, that a person is blind to the things of God until the person trusts in Jesus. At that point, the scales fall from the eyes. At some point, the individual (JW or even total unbelievers) makes a conscience decision to place their trust in a church, organization or the leaders of same or some scientific teaching. Quite possibly a victim, yes, but the cost of admitting a mistake is many times too high to pay.
From my prospective, the JWs, while a little more challanging than most are not really different when it comes to seeing who Jesus is and what must be done in order to be saved. The question is, are we saved by the church, an organization, belief in dogma, performance of rituals, participation on ceremonies or by simple faith in Jesus? Do we believe that salvation comes from doing good works or by believing in Christ's work on the cross? Is the individual helping God to save his soul or is the work 100% of God's doing?
Please do not mis-understand me. The WT uses many tricks to deceive and the leaders will be called to account. Of this I am sure. And everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe. I don't know how I ended up being a "Born Again" type as I have no other family members who believe as I do. All I know is that 35 years ago, I had a desire to pick up the Bible and read it. I did this initially on my own. Then people came into my life to give me direction. Some of those people were Presbyterians, some Baptist, some Methodist, some Penticostals and some I don't know what church they belonged to. All of those mentioned pointed me to Jesus and urged me to trust in Him. None of them ever mentioned to me that their particular church rolls contained the same names found in the Lambs Book of Life, but they all told me how to get my name in that book.
"...Not by works, so that no man can boast" Eph. 2:8-9
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oompa
so only oompa feels sorry for the GB?...although i think someone said they feel sorry for anyone ever associated with jw...so that may count........i bet they were just like me as far as growing up jw.....what a mindfunk........oompa