If ADAM Hadn't 'Ave Sinned? (page 2)

LizardSnot

Well...i personally think that if Adam hadnt sinned...God would have had to remove another rib...

I have to also agree with Naeb...none of us would be here if Adam hadnt sinned. So I guess I should be glad?

Lizard

Erich

aChristian:

You forgot to mention the most important detail of the story of Adam & Eve.
It's Lucifer.

The simple "test" for perfect men was actually easy to fufill. God was sure that this test would not fail. (Note: He didn't "chose" to look into the future, since pre-knowledge is just the same as pre-determination..)

No. The complexity of the situation has been evoked by Lucifer's appearance as great seducer. Sure, God even would have had calculated with that betrayal, and he knew, that the things in such a case would become very complicated; but he is a God who nevertheless keeps his word consistently.

Certainly, Lucifer (Satan) had calculated that the price for God in such case maybe would be too high (he knew that God had to offer his son for reimbursement). But this calculation had failed. God YHVH (JHWH) had proven himself as absolutely consistent.

Satanus

Cel

Well i don'y believe that adam sinned. Heck i don't even believe in adam. And so, everything is as it is even without his sin. IMO

SS

Mr Ben

Is it really free will or loving for god to say "If you choose to agree with me you may stay in existence, but if you choose to disagree with me I will take your life away."

This is in no sense "free". It is a plain threat. God is saying I will create you to be my friend, but if you don't like me I will hurt you then kill you.

I actually beleive that the hebrew beleif system, like many others, was designed to justify the oppression of women. But that's a different subject.

PS - Men and women have the same number of ribs, 24 to be exact. The hebrews just didn't have decent doctors...

Religion n.
An organisation designed to promote atheism.

cynicus

We'd all be running around nude...

bitter mango

we should all being running around nude regardless :P

If ADAM Hadn't 'Ave Sinned?