The Best Word I have learned on this Forum - Thanks Everyone!!!

by BonaFide 15 Replies latest jw friends

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  BonaFide

  That word is "DEFINE." Witnesses redefine words all over the place, and use trick words to obscure what they are really saying.

  I have been able to sort through so much GARBAGE just by using that word. Example? Yesterday in service in one of those car groups.

  The other couple went on a long return visit. So the bro and me sat in the car. He is a young M.S., baptized about 8 years. Cool guy, doesnt get upset easily. We have a good rapport. So we were talking about Swine Flu, and the economic crisis, and he said that those things are a sign of the last days. From there we started to talk about 1914, the word generation, and then onto the Faithful Slave making "adjustments" in our understandings.

  So I said, "How would you define 'adjustments'?"

  He says, "Well, new things"

  Me: What "new things?

  Him: I don't know, things, teachings I guess

  Me: New teachings?

  Him: Well, not new teachings, just adjustments

  Me: Define adjustments

  Him: Its like the Israelites in the wilderness, Jehovah gave them new instructions depending on the circumstances.

  Me: Oh ok, but that would be different, right? Instructions are different than teachings, right? So did Jehovah ever change his teachings?

  Him: No, Jehovah never changes.

  Me: So why do we have changes in the teachings now?

  Him: Well, they are like updates

  Me: Define updates

  Him: Ok, well changes

  Me: Changes in what?

  Him: Ha ha, ok teachings

  Me: So why does Jehovah change the teachings. I mean, I believe the new information, I just am trying to understand those words. Like new light, what exactly is new light? Or adjustments?

  Him: You like to argue stuff dont you?

  Me: Discuss. But so how do we define "adjustments and light and updates?"

  Him: Yes, its like what are they really changing?

  Me: I still support the Slave, I just wish they would come out and say new teachings, I mean I would believe them anyway. I believe anything the Slave says, even if they said Black is White, I would believe it, but why don't they just come out and say it.

  Him: I wouldnt believe anything they said, I would think about it first.

  Me: I wouldnt, I believe all the new teachings no matter what. I just wish they would come out and say, "Hey, these are new teachings."

  Him: Yea, I think they say new light and stuff because people would have a heart attack if they said new teachings.

  Me: Yep, especially if it contradicted the old teachings, I think some of the bro's try to use their own mind, and we shouldnt really think about stuff, just accept it.

  Him: Uhhhhh, well, anyway.

  Me: So, let's go eat after this, OK?

  Him: Yea

  Thanks to so many on this forum, I am getting my mind opened after all my life having it closed. It's a great feeling. I really used to believe all the Society's definitions for everything, and their word games.

  BF
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  BonaFide

  I have to be careful that I don't let too much out, though. I don't want to get turned in.
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  JWdaughter

  bonafide, you are just a little rabbleraiser, aren't you? :)
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  steve2

  I can almost hear your conversation. You seem to have a nice and gently persistent manner. If anything's going to "save' you from their suspicions it will be the consideration you seem to show them. I like the way you back off and don't push them against the wall.
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  middleman

  Funny convo hehe.......define the word define please lol. I love how the Society RE-defines simple words to lesson/cover (well attempt) the lies they spit out. One example of this practice is when they define the word LIE (as seen in the Insight volume) or SUPPORT concerning the UN.

  Blessings...
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  Billy the Ex-Bethelite

  BF,

  That's a good one. The Botchtower is big on creating their own definitions for words. If we ever have an anti-Witness District Convention, you can do a few of the demos.

  I couldn't bring myself to actually say, "I believe all the new teachings no matter what." I usually deflect with something like, "Well, it's hard to explain that from just the Bible." Or, "I don't know how I would explain that to a sincere "Bible student"." Or if they're openminded, "Well, I won't get too attached, since it could easily change/adjust/noolite in the next Watchtower."

  B the X
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  Borgia

  Bonafide......that was a very smart and slicj approach.....very malafide

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Homerovah the Almighty

  One thing that can be observed is they change doctrines when they want to and deem it necessary to keep a constant illusion

  going of themselves as being the voice of god so to speak, this is immanently important to them, call it a marketing strategy

  if you will for the Publishling house to promote sales of their literature.

  The only problem is newly interested people will not know anything of their dictatorial proclamations of the past unless they

  do some prior research, few probably ever do.
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  VM44

  Since when has defining the words one uses become "arguing"?
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  LUKEWARM

  Love your approach with the friends Bonafide - Reverse psychology is a great tool and works wonders!