Homeless Shelters Are Now Charging Rent!

by sammielee24 42 Replies latest jw friends

  • PEC
    PEC
    Arthur Brooks, the author of a book on donors to charity, “Who Really Cares,” cites data that households headed by conservatives give 30 percent more to charity than households headed by liberals. A study by Google found an even greater disproportion: average annual contributions reported by conservatives were almost double those of liberals.

    I am sure that the conservatives are counting the donations to thier church. I my book that does not count, the religion skims off 80-90% not much left for those in need.

    Philip

  • StAnn
    StAnn

    PEC, you don't think liberals tax deduct donations to their churches? That's biased.

    And the idea that religion "skims" 80-90% is also ridiculous. A church in my neighborhood provides inexpensive child care to the poor, has a food pantry, has a clothing pantry, and many other ministries to the poor. And in my church, we pay the bills, yes, but we also provide social services. Your assertion is ridiculous.

    LadyLee and Burn, things aren't as easy down here in the US for the truly poor. The system is set up to keep you poor and punish you for doing better. For instance, I have a mentally handicapped cousin. He gets $900 a month in assistance. That's too much for him to get food stamps. An apartment in our neighborhood would easily be $650 a month, unfurnished, and he'd have to pay utilities, buy food, and buy everything else in life that he needs. How can he meet all of his monthly needs after rent on only $250 a month? Plus, we have no public transportation and he certainly can't drive. He would have to pay for a cab to go to the grocery store or the drug store. His medicine is mostly paid for but not all of the way. He's mentally ill and mentally retarded. What is he supposed to do? Before my uncle died, he made me promise I would take care of my cousin. What would happen to my cousin if I had said "no"?

    Down here, because he can bathe himself, use the washer and dryer, do minor housework, etc., he's considered too highly functioning to live in a group home or an institution. He can sign his name but he can't read or write and he doesn't understand 9/10ths of what is said to him. If he were on his own, he would probably be in an apartment for a month or two, end up with his utilities shut off and eventually be evicted and on the street. If I hadn't taken him in, I have no doubt that he would be a homeless street person. He's psychotic and doesn't take his meds without a lot of encouragement.

    I do not believe that Americans resent paying taxes to help people like my cousin who, through no fault of his own, is unable to ever provide for himself. However, I do think that there are a lot of people who want to be supported by the government because they are lazy and it is wrong. I used to have a neighbor who received welfare, etc., and had two children. She lived with the father of the children but told social services that she didn't know who the father of the children was, so he did not have to pay child support. She was on the lease and her boyfriend was just a "guest" so his income didn't count and her rent was fully subsidized. She received a large discount on her utilities because she was so poor. She became upset when social services told her that, under the old law, being alone and poor and having a child under age three was reason enough to get welfare because she had to tend the child but that the law was changing and now she would no longer be eligible after her youngest child was one year old. She was furious and ranting, "How am I going to work with a one year-old child?" I told her that, when I had my son, I had to put him in daycare when he was six weeks old and I went back to work. I told her that I couldn't understand why the government would support her for three years because she had a child when I as a working woman could only get six weeks maternity leave. She was shocked and stunned at the idea that people might actually have to find childcare and work.

    This woman eventually lost her welfare when her child got older. Know what she did? She married their father and he started supporting them. They lost the rent subsidy so they bought a house and moved out of the apartment. Amazing. These are the kinds of people that most Americans resent supporting, not the mentally ill or disabled.

    And in my town, the homeless shelters are supported by the area churches. My church is one of them. We support the shelter and also the food pantry.

    St. Ann

  • PEC
    PEC

    St. Ann, I stand by my statement, until you show me thier audited financial statements showing differently.

    Philip

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    Sammielee...

    I don't know if you saw this, but there is a homeless shelter (priority families and women with children) that just spent 150,000 dollars for a bio-scanner to weed out 'criminals'. Nevermind they can only house 100 people!

    This homeless shelter has absolutely NO GOVERNMENT AFFILIATION!

    It is being run by a "society" of over 100 different churches (one world inter-faith co-op).

    Because they have spent so much money on the technology, they are now begging people to donate toothpaste, etc. Go figure.

    These bio-scans of fingerprints, eyes, etc. are being implemented by RELIGIONS...it is NOT coming from the governments!

    If you will remember, the marking first started with the Masons and their child ID kits to collect bio-scans and DNA.

    Masonry is the upline of the religions. Churches are the en mass footsoldiers of these organizations. The very elite are the groups at the pinnacle and they are far removed from us.

    Here is the info I posted about the Inn From the Cold Society homeless shelter:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/175267/1/CHURCHES-IMPLEMENT-the-MARKING-SYSTEM

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    Lady Lee: "

    OK Here is how it works in Canada

    Every shelter is funded by government money - even religious ones."

    Lady Lee, that may have been true in the past, but times, they-are-a'changing.

    Just this past week there was news about a shelter in Calgary. It started out being an effort between the Caholic church and the gov. But the government has totally withdrawn support now.

    It appears to be a harbinger of the future trend, that inter faith church groups are taking over areas that used to be funded by 'social services'.

    Once the religions are firmly in charge, then come their judgements in deciding who is worthy to be helped and those who do not conform to their religious dictates will be out in the cold.

    And furthermore, Salvation Army has always been that way. You have to be registered and inside by a certain time. Once in, you MUST listen to a sermon and participate in their little singing service before you are allowed a bowl of soup or crust of bread.

    I expect it to become more rigid in the future when all shelters are owned by these fascist groups.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    I am sure that the conservatives are counting the donations to thier church. I my book that does not count, the religion skims off 80-90% not much left for those in need.

    Actually PEC, some of the studies also control for this factor, and still show a significant difference.

    When liberals see the data on giving, they tend to protest that conservatives look good only because they shower dollars on churches — that a fair amount of that money isn’t helping the poor, but simply constructing lavish spires........Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

    BTS

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    StAnn...I agree with you that the issue of people abusing the system should be addressed. It does happen and there's no doubt about that, however, the number of those abusers is small as compared to those who do not abuse the system. I would change some of the criteria for assistance so that the income levels could fluctuate, health care would not be lost and make counselling, life and behavior services mandatory. As it is now, it isn't always that people are so lazy, they are trapped in a system that cuts them off the minute they take a job flipping burgers so they lose that help in housing costs, food and health care. Once that happens, they have no safety net again and it's a viscious cycle. On top of that, we live in a society that vilifies the poor so for some people it's just simply easier to give up..derision if you are one of the working poor and do need help or if you are on welfare. There's no difference in the attitude people have toward you.

    As for disability, in Canada I worked in the social service sector, mentally and physically challenged. In that sector we had a lot of group homes and individual care. Our clients also live on disability and when not in our group homes (which by the way were fantastic and run with great front line staff), we had individual support workers. These workers would go to the clients homes every week and would work on budgets, food, personal care, laundry - anything the client needed support with. We also helped with supported employment whereby, one of the staff would set up an employer in the community and support our client as they learned that job. We were the middle men and when they needed help with issues, they could come to us. We had a drop center for them and day programming as well. sammieswife

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Here is the article that I found on Out of the Cold program in Toronto - it does receive government assistance - sammieswife.

    For those of you who don’t know, or who may have been misinformed, Out of the Cold is not a City of Toronto or other level of government program. What it is, is a grassroots success story – a faith based program started by Sister Susan Moran and her St. Michael’s School students back in 1987 and a coalition of local downtown Christian church communities. Indeed it has developed into a multi-faith initiative with representation at 23 facilities from different faith and organizations taking part now. Very simply, the model is: local downtown churches open their doors one night a week to provide a hot meal and a place to sleep “out of the cold”. In Toronto, more than three thousand volunteers help every winter to feed and provide shelter to about five hundred of our homeless friends. The majority of the food, materials, supplies, shelter and other costs are funded by the local church members. (Note – The city does fund the program peripherally a local non-profit social service agency -currently Dixon Hall- has an annual contract to send one or two safety and security personnel to some sites, some transportation of guests and the supply/ laundering of a limited number of blankets and sleeping mats. They also provide counselling, housing worker and referral services to the guests. A separatecommunity health care provider offers a registered nurse at each location) Only 16 of the churches fully opt in to these city services with several preferring the freedom and intimacy of program delivery funded and guided by their own community resources and principals. This model has spread nationwide and Sister Susan was recognized with the Order of Canada in 2006 for her contribution.

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    Here is the article that I found on Out of the Cold program in Toronto - it does receive government assistance - sammieswife.

    Not sure if this is directed to me, but the one I mentioned was called Inn From the Cold.

  • PEC
    PEC

    IMO Conservatives tend to say they give more than the actually give. I know of one conservative said he was giving 10% to his church, when it was added up is was only 2% and others the give nothing to charity. Liberals tend give more and brag about it less and donate even when they don't get a tax right off.

    Philip

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