Pagan Decorations Allowed in Society's Buildings?

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  • compound complex
    compound complex

    IN SEARCH OF CHRISTIAN FREEDOM, Ray Franz, pages 274, 275.

    I recall that when the Watch Tower Society purchased a former motion picture theatre in Queens, New York, for use as an assembly hall, the theatre had an ancient Egyptian motif throughout. Over the marquee, the front of the building had large tiles depicting various Egyptian gods and goddesses, one even carrying the CRUX ANSATA. The inside contained other items, including lotus flowers, having religious connotations in Egyptian beliefs. When the Watch Tower renovated the building all these items were left unchanged. After a few years, a friend of ours from the Dominican Republic attended a Gilead School graduation there as our guest. She was struck by the pagan symbolisms and expressed her upset to me, saying that she would not have known what the meaning of these things was had she not read of them in the Watch Tower's own publications. [52] She could not harmonize the strong, negative statements made in the publications with this apparent tolerance. I felt obliged to write President Knorr, pointing out that my concern was primarily for her (and others who might feel as she did). Knorr came down to my office and argued the matter, saying that the items were simply decorations and that, for example, he didn't think that people looking at the lotuses would attribute a sexual connotation to them. He asked if I thought we could not even make use of a Catholic translation because it might have a cross on its front. I told him that I was not hypersensitive about such things, but I thought that we had an obligation to be concerned if there is an adverse effect on others, that if we set forth a particular standard for others then people have a right to expect us to live by it ourselves. Not long afterward the tile depictions of gods and goddesses were painted over. The inside of the building remained essentially the same. More recently the Watch Tower purchased the large Bossert Hotel in Brooklyn. It has gargoyles ornamenting the outside. These, too, are viewed by the organization as inconsequential decorations, void of any serious significance. As I found true in so many cases, stringent requirements placed on Witnesses of the "rank and file" suddenly seemed capable of great relaxation when the organization's own interests were involved.

    footnote:

    52 See, for example the book WHAT HAS RELIGION DONE FOR

    MANKIND?, pages 106 to 119.

  • AK - Jeff
    AK - Jeff

    Good point. I had forgotten this portion of Ray's book.

    This is the biggest pagan symbol in Brooklyn, in my humble opinion.

    Jeff

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    Interesting post, CoCo. I did not know this.

    excerpt: http://www.watchman.org/jw/gargoyls.htm

    The following item appeared in the Brooklyn Heights Press. "A former Jehovah's Witness said there may be a small scandal over the architecture of the Bossert Hotel. The top of the Hotel is lined with gargoyles, and this goes against Watchtower beliefs. Gargoyles are suppose to keep away evil spirits, and the Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe in superstitions, said the ex-Witness. Apparently the gargoyles cannot be removed because of the building's landmark status," (May 18, 1989, p. 11).

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Greetings, Jeff and cameo:

    Thank you for your comments. You may find this further information from Wikipedia [Gargoyles] intriguing, particularly regarding the misapplication of the term.

    In architecture, a gargoyle is a carved stone grotesque with a spout designed to convey water from a roof and away from the side of a building.

    The term originates from the Frenchgargouille, originally "throat" or "gullet"; [ 1 ] cf. Latingurgulio, gula, and similar words derived from the root gar, "to swallow", which represented the gurgling sound of water (e.g., Spanish garganta, "throat"; Spanish gárgola, "gargoyle").

    A chimera, or a grotesque figure, is a sculpture that does not work as a waterspout and serves only an ornamental or artistic function. These are also usually called gargoyles in laymen's terminology, [ 1 ] although the field of architecture usually preserves the distinction between gargoyles (functional waterspouts) and non-waterspout grotesques

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    We had circuit assemblies in National Guard Armories all the time in the 50's and 60's. There were military honor cases in the foyers, pictures of past and current presidents on the wall, flags standing in the meeting room, and big guns on trailers with trucks and Jeeps on the side lot.

    It didn't bother the Watch Tower employees one bit to rent these buildings and it didn't bother the Witness people to sit in the armory. Armories were favored meeting places.

  • compound complex
    compound complex

    Thanks, Gary, for that look into yesteryear. I hadn't really thought about the many decades of renting public halls for meetings and assemblies. JW unity of thought in all matters of worship is simply untrue. Perhaps that sister was overly sensitive. Others could've cared less, if at all.

    I appreciate your response.

    CoCo

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    Funny how this just reminded me of a more recent situation involving the UN , it appears the organization ( the business end )

    has laid out rules for the following which they themselves don't necessarily have to abide to themselves,

    well at least until they get called out. There is a running hypocrisy involving this organization , that most JWS aren't even

    aware of. That pronouncement and proclamation that this truly is god's only earthly organization must really

    put a big white sheet over themselves, proof that mental indoctrination does wonderful things when its done right !

  • Black Sheep
  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    The lofty arrogance of power in action, it happens more often than not.

  • Marjorie
    Marjorie

    One set of rules for me, another set of rules for thee...

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