HISTORIC EVENT IN FRANCE... JW EMAIL

by whereami 11 Replies latest watchtower medical

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  whereami

  Sorry I should have origanally posted this here.

  Is there any way to confirm this story? I smell BS.

  Historic EVENT IN FRANCE!!!!!!

  We would like to share with you an experience related by brother Baudril, from the Hospital Liason Committee, during a recent circuit assembly in Marseille.
  Margo, a premature baby, born at 30 weeks gestation, weighing only 1.2 kg (2.65 lbs) with a very low blood count, the doctors feel it important to administer a blood transfusion. The parents, Jehovah's Witnesses, contact the H.L.C.. A process is started, faxes are sent, and the brothers propose to the doctors if they would accept to administer erythroproeteine (EPO, synthetic hormones which stimulate the production of red blood cells) for three days. The doctors accept, and the Bethel supplied the product. After 3 days the blood count stabilises. The brothers propose a fourth day of EPO and the count rises. So the treatment is approved and continued. Margo, who was nicknamed, ''Little fighter'' was saved. This was a first in France. So the doctors decide to try this treatment on other premature babies, and they obtain the same results. This treatment is then established for all premature babies in the Pediatric Service dep't in the hospital of Purpan, in Toulouse.
  
  
  
  The media would not, of course, dispense this information. But as the brother said in his talk, we don't need media publicity, we prefer to give a personal witness to touch the hearts of people. That's what was done in this case, especially to the medical personnel who witnessed personally the procedure and the devotion of the H.L.C., and did not hesitate to say: " And we say that Jehovah's witnesses don't give medical treatment to their children'', as well as the parents of other premature babies that have benefited and had their lives saved because of the treatment proposed by the HLC, who made themselves available to discuss with the brothers and give further explanations and details.
  
  
  
  Don't you think that a very great witness to Jehovah has been given on this occasion?
  
  
  
  Please do not hesitate to relate this beautiful experience to all the brothers and sisters in your vicinity. This is a situation that can serve us well in the preaching work to refute those who contradict about blood transfusions
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  gubberningbody

  It's irrelevant. The doctrine against blood doesn't have a foundation in the NT as applied to transfusions, as it's a tissue transplant and the body doesn't consume the blood, moreover the making of distinctions w/regard to minor blood fractions is w/o any biblical basis whatsoever.

  Ask any elder, CO, DO, HLC or PVG member what the biblical basis for making distinctions w/regard to minor blood fractions and you'll be told that you're a troublemaker. The only "biblical" basis there might be would be if the GB is the vicar of Christ on earth when it makes ex-cathedra pronouncements in the same manner as does the Pope.
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  whereami

  Thanks gubberningbody. My question was, is this story verifiable? Or are they just making this up?
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  purplesofa

  I read this at a JW site and the JW's there question if this is true.
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  whereami

  Interesting ps. Can you post that JW web site? Thanks.
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  gubberningbody

  I know what the question is, but proceeding in that manner is to fall for the fallacy of the complex question. The post asks and answers this question in the affirmative "Are JW's biblically correct in both of the matters GB addressed previously in this thread? YES!" and then moves on to askand answer "Isn't this wonderful?!!"

  Actually it would be neither here nor there if it were true, because they're damned if it's true and damned if it's not.

  It is vitally important that those who've been drinking this koolaid whether from birth or from a later date recognize this.

  Of, course it's easy to verify the essentials...

  Email the doctor...

  robert.a@chu-toulouse.fr

  FYI

  http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/122/2/375?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=EPO+++infant&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&tdate=5/31/2009&resourcetype=HWCIT

  http://fn.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/88/1/F41?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=1&andorexacttitle=and&andorexacttitleabs=and&fulltext=EPO+++infant&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&tdate=5/31/2009&resourcetype=HWCIT
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  purplesofa

  I won't post the site but here is part of one of the comments, too many wild apostates go to JW sites and cause them to become more and more closed communities and I have rather liked getting bits of information from this site over the years.

  I read it on the French list Agora. there seems to be mix feelings on
  to the validity of the story.
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  drew sagan

  The general claim of what's posted here is a suggestion that the Watchtowers stand on blood has benifited many other people who are unaffiliated with the Witnesses.

  This is a general claim that is made time to time, even by the Watchtower itself. Comments such as "the Witnesses demand for non-blood related procedures has increased the overall demand for safer alternatives". Such comments suggest that by taking a stand for "no blood" Witnesses are making hospitals safer in some way (i.e. following "gods standards" leads to better results)

  Of course this is a direct contradiction to the reality that demanding non-blood procedures assures there will be cases in which an individual suffers death as a reult of lack of treatment. This is because no-blood alternatives cannot be used in every case (something missing from much of watchtower literature).

  So by following "gods standards" better medical treatments (and health) increase, yet individuals are also being put at risk. It's these risks they continually minimize and ignore while trumpeting the "success stories".

  There are two sides to every coin. Don't expect the Watchtower or it's followers to examine the costs and benifits of their policies. Additinally we have no idea about the rations. For example, every single success story gets published in the Watchtower could possibly have three dozen stories in which there was a negative outcome (it also could be the other way around I suppose). Yet no data is ever provided on how many people are being effected by these doctrines.

  It's a one way street when you talk about the will of God with fundamentalists.
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  chasson

  Mwouahaha, this is a typical jw urban legend, i have debugged this one two years ago when it appeared on the french's net, and it has reappeared since...

  Take a look at my blog to see the history of this story, and the answer of the hospital:

  http://temoinsdejehovah.blog.free.fr/index.php?post/2009/04/25/Pr%C3%A9matur%C3%A9s-et-Transfusions%3A-Un-exemple-de-l%C3%A9gende-urbaine-institutionnalis%C3%A9e-chez-les-T%C3%A9moins-de-J%C3%A9hovah

  Charles
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  Steve_C

  The response of Charlotte Casper (Neonatology Dept. of the University Center Hospital in Toulouse) to chasson is interesting. She plainly states that the story must be false because:

  1) EPO therapy for prematures babies is administered in 18 doses over the course of six weeks, seeing that it takes at least a week to produce any measurable results; and

  2) Toulouse was one of the last centers in France to begin utilizing EPO on premature babies.