Saying I'm sorry

by seven006 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • seven006
    seven006

    The words "I'm sorry" have been misunderstood in today's world to sometimes give the person who is saying it the position of being weak. As if they are less than perfect because they are admitting they had made a mistake. I see the opposite to be true. It takes strength of character and a more mature and intelligent person to make an apology than to hold it back and try to appear as if they are infallible.

    There is a certain strength in admitting you have been wrong and it is a huge factor in personal growth. In the climate of this board it's nature based on it's theme is one of controversy and that factor should be kept in mind when trying to understand why there is at times the distention that pops up. It is open to more heated debates because of it's theme than say a board discussing cooking recipes. It is easy to loose site that even though there is one common bond between us all there are extreme variations of opinion, belief, culture and levels of healing in regard to that common bond.

    If the big picture can be kept in the forefront of as many discussions as possible I think the atmosphere of the board will grow in a positive manner just as the participants do. This board as in many like it is of historical significance in the matter of exJW people and their quest for survival after the fact. That is a huge responsibility and it is only natural for it to take time to become the extremely important tool I know it is, and can be. That and it is a cool place to learn a few new jokes.

    It is as obvious as a nun in a strip club that tension will hover in the corners of this room. That is a big part of it's draw, that is a big part of it's growth. The open arguments as well as it's open apologies are what separates us here, from the religion we have all left. It is done for all to see and all to learn from. This is in sharp contrast to our former religion where the same is done behind ones back and behind close doors. I am again, honored to be a part of it. You people are incredible and I am proud to call you my friends.

    Dave

  • bitter mango
    bitter mango

    (((dave))) great post! i adore you and all you have to say. thanks for being a pal .

    bea

  • MrMoe
    MrMoe

    Dave -- Great post -- wanna be my mind candy? Hubba hubba

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Hi Dave,

    Nice post. I agree.

    I would also add that it is also many times seen as weak to be quick to forgive someone who has wronged you as it might leave you vulnerable to being taken advantage of or hurt again in the future.

    Forgiveness of those who are truly sorry (do not repeat the same hurtful actions over and over again) brings peace.

    For those who insist on repeating the same hurtful actions over and over again, all you can do is ignore them and move them out of your life.

    Joel

  • WildHorses
    WildHorses

    Dave, I bet you are a great father.

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but some of us Brits have the impression that the US is full of litigation and lawyers and whereas over hear, we bump someones car and say "oh what dear fellow!! I'm awfully bloody sorry!!!", you guys just sue the arse off each other.
    It reminds me of that film in the future, where saying sorry when bumping into someone is an admission of guilt. What film was that? Sorry, I can't remember?

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    Great post Dave! I grew up in a household where grudges, lying, and mind/heart games were part of a typical day. In an effort to be straight up with everything I leave myself open for criticism and ridicule. But I don't really care - to me humility and forthrightness are some of the most attractive qualities in a human being. I admire it in others and I try to keep them a part of me wherever I'm at as well. "I'm sorry" when used genuinely and lovingly, can be two of the most healing words in our language. But then again, if most of us would think before we spoke (or posted!) we wouldn't always have to be saying sorry either!

    Andi

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    Wow. Wonderful post, Dave. Good job. I grew up in a family, where my mother NEVER apologized for anything. To this day, she never thinks she is wrong about anything. It's always the other person who has wronged her. Never the other way around. It is so refreshing to read a post like yours.

    Thanks so much!!

    Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)

  • seven006
    seven006

    Mango,
    Thank you for your kind words. I like being your pal too and I like mangos. I also like papayas but a name like bitter papaya sound's stupid.

    Take care little sister.
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    Moe,
    Mind candy? This because of my age isn't it. I remember when I use to be arm candy. Lately I feel more like an arm pit.
    I must warn you that my only objective in copying and pasting these thoughts that I have stolen from the official watchtower web site are purely to try and pick up chicks.

    Big hug ya crazy woman!
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    JoleBear,

    I agree with you for the most. I understand what you are saying but I have a thing to add. This is only my opinion so take it as you please but when someone repeatedly wrongs you, you have one thing that will stop it. That is to let them know where you stand as honestly and direct as you can and walk away if it continues. In the many years of problems between my ex-wife and I, I ended them with one thought. I told her that she had won and she was has proven to me that she was tougher than I was. Then I asked her what she had gained by trying to prove that toughness. What she had lost was me as a friend. Her pride that was establish way before I met her is a major force in her life. As a young JW boy I didn't see her pride or stubbornness, all I could see was she was beautiful, she was in the same religion and she had a great butt.

    What she had gained was the feeling that she had won a battle. The battle was with herself and with her past, not with me. She still hasn't been able to grasp what I meant. Some people never get it, and most battles are never won. In the battle between her and I, I feel there was never a winner only losers. Unfortunately for my sons, they are the ones who were hurt the most and they are the ones I care most about in the matter. I am spending my time now trying to make it up to them.

    I wish things were different but you can try to change a persons mind but unless you have the ability to change their heart you can only accomplish so much. My ex-wife gave me the greatest gift any person has ever given me, my sons. That is how I need to continue to see her and I am not always able to feel that way. Unfortunately she does not share that feeling. Doing your best is all you can do. The rest of it is many times out of your hands. That's life.

    Take care dude, I enjoy your posts and you crack me up all the time. Your one hell of a guy.
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    Lilacs,

    Thanks for your thought. I think I am now but I wasn't always that way. I had a lot to learn and I made a lot of mistakes, much more than most.
    My kids keep me on my toes and the youngest one just flat out makes me feel old. He says that's his job, who am I to argue.
    I'll bet your a great mom.

    Thanks.
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    Ballistic,
    I hate to agree with you but I think your right. We are a little to sue happy. Fortunately I live in Oregon and it tends to be a little more forgiving than some states. I have had business associates come into town and can't believe that people wave thank you back to you when you let them into traffic in front of you. Oregon is known for it's kind hearted people. It is also known for growing the best pot in the country. I have always wondered if there was a connection.

    Thanks.
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    Andi,

    I was brought up in a family with nine kids (six sisters, one bathroom). I think the one and only real benefit I gain from that experience growing up is I have one hell of a great bladder. I guess I also developed a pretty good sense of understanding. I lost that sense for many years. I am working very hard to get it back. If we can ever get over the horrors of our child hood we can finally grow up. Of course by that time, you have tubes going in our mouth and coming out our butts, but we can all look back and say it was one hell of a ride. In my next life I want to come back as a rabbit.

    Thanks for your thoughts.
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    Mulan,

    My mom had a huge heart and was a very bright lady. If it wasn't for the damn religion she could have been a great teacher. I am happy to have inherited her heart. The only thing I can't shake in the way of hatred for that religion is the fact that they kidnapped my mom from me. I know it is very hard on her but she is so brainwashed she can't see past it. I think she always knew I would end up leaving the religion because she continually asked me not to. She told me right before I left the religion that mothers where not supposed to choose one of their kids as their favorite but that I was hers. I caught shit from my brothers and sisters most of my life for this and still do from my one sister who is out. What they don't realize is she also told me that not only did she love me the most but I also hurt her the most by leaving. That is a hard thing to deal with. Sometimes what is perceived to be a very good thing has it's equal balancing weight that makes it also a bad thing.

    That religion has such a warped sense of what love really is it's amazing that any of us turned out half way normal.

    Take care woman.

    Dave

  • TR
    TR

    Wow, Dave. Time for me to fess up.

    I apologize to those on this forum that I've said harsh things to. Namely, Yadirf, for calling him a "crazy bastard". I apologize to logical for calling him a "pascifist asshole". I'm sure there are others, and I'm working on my bad behavior.

    Sinerely,

    TR

    I'm gonna make mince meat outta that Osama!

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