Dissecting Matthew 10:34-38

by drew sagan 9 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • drew sagan
    drew sagan

    34 Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household. 37 He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.

    A verse cited by JWs from time to time, sometimes used to support the idea that family divisions because of "the truth" are justified.

    I don't know much about the verse other than it's a possible quote from Micah 7:6. I'm wondering what some of our "JWD scholars" fell about it.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Hi drew sagan,

    I have no particular insight on this passage, in fact I tend to take it at face value... imo most of early Christianity (down to the rejection of Gnosticism in the Pastorals) was not really family-friendly. The Lukan parallels to Matthew are even more violent (12:49ff; 14:25ff // Mt 10:37f; 18:29f // Mark 10:29; Matthew 19:29). They are generally construed as reflecting a "wandering radical" component of early Christianity which insisted on breaking family ties for the "kingdom" in a very literal way. The parallels with popular philosophical Cynicism (as pointed out by scholars such as Downing and Mack) are quite instructive.

  • drew sagan
    drew sagan

    Thanks Nark

    I too felt that it probably was to be taken literally, with the idea of promoting a radical itinerant Christian lifestyle. All with dramatic apocolyptic assumptions scattered throughout.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    One interesting detail is the passage's contrast with eschatological statements concerning the return of Elijah, whose effect on family relations was expected to be quite the opposite (cf. Malachi 4:5-6, Sirach 48:9-11, 4 Ezra 6:25-26).

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    This is only one of the passages that make me conclude that those who leave Jehovah's Witnesses in favour of a supposedly more faithful reading of the Christian heritage are deeply mistaken to think that Christianity is at its root less controlling than Jehovah's Witnesses. Early Christianity displays the same manipulative, coercive and authoritarian characteristics that those leaving the Witnesses tend to take most exception to. I read an excellent book a few years ago that convinced me that Jehovah's Witnesses are not being unfaithful to primitive Christianity when they exhibit such controlling, oppressive tendencies, they are in fact thereby emulating primitive Christianity: Cost of Authority: Freedom and Manipulation in the New Testament by Graham Shaw. It was written by a minister in the Anglican Church who was struck by the problem of the abuse of authority within the church and how this caused ordinary believers all sorts of problems and heartache. He started off thinking if only people adhered to the Biblical pattern that such problems would be solved. But the more he looked to the Bible for solutions the more he realised it was in fact the root of the problem because Christianity has been authoritarian and controlling since its inception. The way to break free from authoritarianism then is not to look to the scriptures but to move away from them.

    It makes me think on just a few examples where Jehovah's Witnesses are by no means false to Christianity's heritage in attempting to manipulate and control various aspects of people's lives in the name of God.

    Paul discouraged the wisdom of the world and called it empty: the governing body discourages higher education.

    Jesus said to be his follower you had to put him before your family: and Witnesses warn new Bible studies that family will discourage them but this is from Satan.

    Paul said it was a bad idea to get married because the end was so close: and Rutherford took the same position.

    Jesus said having children would be a burden when the system came to an end: Witnesses have at various times suggested waiting until the new system to have children.

    Rumours went about the first century Christian congregations that the apostle John would still be alive when Jesus returned: Witnesses claimed the 1914 generation would see Armageddon.

    One New Testament writer claimed they were so close to the end they were in the 'last hour': I think the closest Witnesses came was to talk about the 'remaining months' before Armageddon in 1975.

    Christians called those from among their ranks with theological differences apostates: Jehovah's Witnesses do the same.

    Women were not supposed to speak at spiritual gatherings nor question their husbands: Witnesses treat women just as bad.

    For these reasons and others I can't get my head around it when people leave the Witnesses for the so-called 'freedom' of Christianity. Talk about out of the frying pan into the fire. Modern Christian groups only display liberal non-controlling qualities to the extent that they manage to distance themselves from the first century pattern! So if Christianity only offers freedom to the extent that it denies its roots - then why not opt for total freedom by divesting oneself of the whole damn thing?

  • drew sagan
    drew sagan

    slimboyfat,

    I think you're generalizing beyond practical comparison.

    It makes me think on just a few examples where Jehovah's Witnesses are by no means false to Christianity's heritage in attempting to manipulate and control various aspects of people's lives in the name of God.

    Jehovah's Witnesses are a modern day corporate organization which gained most of their influence through use of print technology. The circumstances and structure of the modern Witnesses and early Christiantiy are so far removed from each other hisorically that any comparisons in regards to "controlling" and "manipulating" are rather pointless imo. These are very different experiences. This is not to say that early Christiainty didn't have it's share of things that by todays standards would never be accepted in society. It sure did. But to take these negative aspects out of their historical context and say "it's just like the Watchtower!" is a bit over the top imo.

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    "The circumstances and structure of the modern Witnesses and early Christiantiy are so far removed from each other hisorically that any comparisons in regards to "controlling" and "manipulating" are rather pointless imo. These are very different experiences. This is not to say that early Christiainty didn't have it's share of things that by todays standards would never be accepted in society. It sure did. But to take these negative aspects out of their historical context and say "it's just like the Watchtower!" is a bit over the top imo."

    I disagree drew. Primitive Christianity and any modern fundamentalist spinoff are like poisonous plants, perhaps growing in different kinds of (social) soil but having something deadly in common. One can truly say that JWs are like primitive Christianity in its exclusivist family bashing essence regardless of what else may be different. So there are differences and similarities but the similarities are what kills us.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    There are several possible explanations, all of which could have validity.

    First, they could be referring to fully integrated honesty. Anyone that values their family so much that they are going to let it prevent them from developing fully integrated honesty will not be able to create value and live free of stagnation. And, if a parent is mean-spirited or a child is totally bent on destroying value and initiating force, threats of force, and/or fraud, one must take action to prevent that from doing even worse damage. A child is under no obligation to honor a parent that is mean spirited.

    Second, I strongly suspect that there is a memory error. Remember, Matthew wrote this more than 40 years after it was said. How on earth is he going to remember it literally after that long? If the books in the Old Testament, plus Paul's own confusion, can throw him off, there is going to be an error right from the outset. And if the source is wrong, the copies are also going to be wrong.

    And you have those Catholics that tampered with the Bible at their own outset. And, to top it off, transcription errors from yours truly Monks are always able to throw off the whole meaning of the passage. Each time that happens, errors creep into the translations that follow. Pretty soon, you have an unusable version--and 1900 years is more than plenty of time for that to happen.

    Plus, I will not discount the possibility that the whole thing is a complete lie. I have observed that the Bible lies, and that if it can scam people with Original Sin, it can also get people to bust up their families with other lies.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    The big difference imo is that "early Christianity" (1st and early 2nd century) was anything but a "united worldwide organisation" -- even though its centripetal components eventually merged into one (the early catholic or great church). The level of group pressure and individual commitment could be much higher or lower depending on local settings and the kind of "Christianity" they developed; also several allowed for an "inner" and "outer" circle with different requirements. More exacting than the WT, for instance (with a few possible exceptions like in Malawi), the martyrdom-seeking attitude of Revelation; or the itinerant radicals' way of life which makes the WT pioneers and missionaries look very comfortable. But probably much less, the average supporting member involvement.

  • digderidoo
    digderidoo

    It's quite simple really. Jesus was here talking about the unbelieving family members opposing the Christian in the household.

    The ironic view of the WT society is that Jesus was talking about the Christian being the one who cuts himself off from the rest of the family, when he is clearly talking about the other way around. He is talking about a Christians enemy could be within his own house, it is therefore the unbeliever who may cause this division, whereas the WT says it should be the JW who cuts himself off from family.

    If the unbeliever opposes the Christian in the household, v 37 then goes on to say that the Christian should not have greater affection for father or mother than for him, what he doesn't say is that they should be cut off and never spoken to, never invite to family gatherings, etc, etc.

    34 Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household. 37 He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.

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