Hi scrapmama
Be careful your inital thoughts were correct the anti-witness agenda on here is heavy but also they are anti-leadership and the right of leaders to govern and keep the congregation clean.
My reply: Wrong and generalized assertions as usual Reniaa. Got that persecution complex running high these days i see. We are not anti-JW at all. The people are captives of a falseconcept and a destructive cult. I cam for leaders to govern and keep the cong clean to the parameters that what they govern and how they do so is Biblically supported.
1 Corinthians 5:12
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?
I will not tell you to be on this forum or not but remember your inital thoughts on seeing all these ex-Jws slamming the Jehovah's witnesses, or governing body or pretending the watchtower is more than just a magazine, to sidetrack you away from leaderships right to rule as both Jesus and God directed until Jesus returns and takes his choosen to be leaders in heaven having served here time down here.
My reply: The WT is a magazine thru which the governing body communicates to its members what they must do and beleive. The leadership has parameters set out in the Bible....your last few words of Jesus taking his chosen leaders in heaven at his return sounds like your trying to preach the WT 2 class theory...which has been proven to be a sham used to support their own authority structure.
A lot of info on here is false or things made to look like wrongdoings but actually aren't.
they will say governing body shouldn't be telling us what to do they are just men like us and not Jesus but then look at what the bible says.
My reply: The governing body should not be telling its members what they can and can not do in areas not spoken of in the Bible.
Acts 1:20-26 (New International Version)
20 "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms,
" 'May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,' [ a ] and,
" 'May another take his place of leadership.' [ b ] 21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from John's baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection."
23 So they proposed two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24 Then they prayed, "Lord, you know everyone's heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs." 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
clearly until Jesus comes we need leaders among men but how should we view them?
My reply: So you beleive in apostolic succession Reniaa? This verse is the choosing of an apostle to take Judas place. You are claiming this same authority for todays leaders.
Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you.
My reply: FOr the 5th time reniaa...you forgot the context of the previous 10 verses.
7 Remember your leaders who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith. 8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. 9 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teaching. 2 It is good to have our hearts strengthened by grace and not by foods, which do not benefit those who live by them. 10 We have an altar 3 from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat. 11 The bodies of the animals whose blood the high priest brings into the sanctuary as a sin offering are burned outside the camp. 12 Therefore, Jesus also suffered outside the gate, to consecrate the people by his own blood. 13 Let us then go to him outside the camp, bearing the reproach that he bore. 14 For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the one that is to come. 15 Through him (then) let us continually offer God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of lips that confess his name. 16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have; God is pleased by sacrifices of that kind. 17 Verse 7 makes it crystal clear- the obedience is to the extent that they preach the word of Christ- not the opinions of some old dudes claiming to be God's channel speaking on issues never addressed in Scripture.
You will already know these scriptures but I only show you them as one of the biggest things I see attacked on here. You are right we all stand before Jehovah and his son Jesus who must judge us personally but we will also be measured by how much we help one another. So we shouldn't encourage people away from the flock. They will not attack you on here unless you defend the religion or it's doctrines.
I will ask a two part question and hopefully some ex-Jws on here will answer it honestly and then you will see what I mean.
Do you think Jehovah's witnesses as a religion should end and do you think People are better of not being witnesses?
The answer to this scrapmama is why you should be careful!
Takecare
Reniaa
My reply: Absolutely! It is a mind control cult alienated from Christ. It is responsbile for needless deaths by refusal of blood, destruction of families, past deaths by ridiculous medical advice, etc...
