Do Christians Still Own The J.W Periphery?

by AllTimeJeff 8 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    The essay below was written by Mick on Ronnie's board. It has been up for a couple of months, but it is so good, I obtained his permission to paste it here. It is among my favorite top 2 or 3 essay's I have ever seen on in the ex JW cyber world.... I hope you enjoy it.... ATJeff

    O.k… so you are a Jehovah's Witness, but you are unsettled about it. In fact, you're downright miserable, confused and slightly angry about certain things. If this was your position pre-internet, then what were your options back then?

    It would still be possible to do the 'fade.' Difficult….but not impossible. You'd have to navigate the psychological fallout involved with abandoning the theology, and also re-build your entire social network from scratch.

    The odds would be strong that you'd have to do this alone.

    Other than Jehovah's Witnesses themselves, the only other people whom you would be able to relate to would be ex-Jehovah's Witnesses.

    But remember, it's pre-internet.

    The only ex-Jehovah's Witnesses you are likely familiar with are those weird people who picket assemblies and conventions with banners about 1914 etc….

    The much feared and despised 'evil slave' class to be precise.

    They'd understand what you're feeling though surely?

    After all, many of these people used to be Jehovah's Witnesses themselves at one time.

    They are the ones who might just have something in common with you.

    Namely:

    They seem to be prepared to cast a ferociously critical eye over the J.W faith and it's central administration.

    Perhaps they really DO know something about the faith that you don't know?

    The problem is, you'd have to talk to them to find out, and you've been warned about talking to 'apostates' in no uncertain terms.

    But still, they might have some valuable information. Some reservoir of alternative knowledge that you are not aware of, because all of 'your' information comes straight from the Society's literature.

    Now unbeknown to you, the 'evil slave class' has long been compiling a negative and incriminating portfolio about the faith to which you belong.

    A very very useful portfolio for anybody who may want to know things about the Society, and which the Society would rather not have it's members exposed to.

    But what has been the motive behind this portfolio's construction?

    Predominantly, it has been constructed by people who want to free people from the clutches of the 'Watchtower' with a view to bringing them to Christ.

    But what if you don't actually want to be brought to Christ?

    Whilst you are a Jehovah's Witness, and still steeped in their theology, it's highly unlikely that you actually know what you want, other than that you want to try and make some kind of break from an extremely controlling religion.

    However, the cold hard reality is that these Christians have got a lot of the 'information' that you need in order to adjust your perception of the Society and thus feel a tad more justified in making that break.

    It's still pre-internet though remember, so by and large…Christians are the predominant peripheral gatekeepers of converse knowledge about the Society in terms of it's history and it's theological control mechanisms.

    These ex-Jehovah's Witness Christians do not want bring people to Atheism, they do not want to bring them to Agnosticism…nor Wicca…nor any kind of vague New Age embrace which involves crystals and fairies.

    They possess a lot of the special knowledge that you might just need for your own cerebral liberation, but they also have some very firm ideas about just where they believe your next theological port of call really ought to be once you decide to leave the faith.

    Running The Gauntlet

    Because Jehovah's Witnesses draw a firm line between those who are in the faith and those who are on the outside of it, this creates a rather unique dynamic.

    It creates a 'periphery.'

    It's an area which exists but that the J.W executive cannot actually control. It closely orbits the mother-faith, and it has plenty to say for itself about that mother-faith, albeit in a negative and condemnatory fashion, especially in aspects of theology which pertain to scripture and specifically…Jesus Christ.

    Historically, Christians have owned this periphery for a long time.

    The cold hard fact of the matter is that any Jehovah's Witness who wants to try and place some cerebral distance between themselves and their former faith, must run the gauntlet through the Christian periphery, and this Christian periphery totally envelops the J.W faith, patiently waiting as a ready made emotional catchment for any who, for whatever reason….happen to stray outside the faith.

    Post Internet

    The one thing the advent of the internet facilitated, was an ever increasing ease of access to information. More pertinently in the current context, information could now be accessed 'anonymously.'

    The portfolio of critical information which the Christians had long been gathering about the J.W faith, rapidly began to appear on the web along with many other slightly more learned critiques which began to be harvested from their more academic sources.

    As far as the average 'pissed off' J.W was concerned, the dynamics of the existing periphery were about to change dramatically.

    The Christians rapidly realised that the web would be a marvellous utility for evangelising Christ to Jehovah's Witnesses who may be tempted to make an egress, or indeed, who may have been forced to make one by means of the J.W shunning policy.

    However, the Christians would now have to share their long monopolised periphery with other opinions about just what it actually is that is so 'negative' about the J.W faith.

    Not least of all amidst these vociferous contributions, were the thoughts and feelings of ex-Jehovah's Witnesses themselves. Now liberated from their enforced silence and more than ready to add their own personal 2-cents to the J.W debate.

    The Christians soon realised that there were some ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who seemed to be slipping through their nets, and very much arriving at their own conclusions as to what was wrong with...not just the J.W faith, but with religion in general…and of course, even the Bible itself began to receive severely critical reviews by many.

    Ex-Jehovah's Witnesses seemed to be scattering everywhere and anywhere in terms of their newfound worldviews, and the Christians began to realise that the internet, although useful to them, was also shattering their long-held monopoly over the ex-J.W periphery.

    Jehovah's Witnesses everywhere were reading Christian websites and just filtering out the useful, backdated 'information' about the Society's shenanigans, without it necessarily leading them to make a dedication to Christ.

    It was a little bit like mice stealing the cheese of the traps.

    Many Jehovah's Witnesses just had a ferocious appetite for knowledge about the Society, but did not necessarily want the additional religious steerage that always seemed to accompany that knowledge.

    Witnesses were actually running mental 'filters' on the Christian websites. Taking what was useful off them and rejecting that which they thought was nothing but highly emotive, subjective 'crud.'

    In a true sense, the liberation exercise was well underway, and to their disdain, the Christians realised that there were now ever widening gaps opening up in the ex-J.W periphery, and that many ex-Jehovah's Witnesses were just bypassing their commentaries altogether and pushing out beyond their zone of influence in favour of alternative worldviews.

    Ones that made much more sense to them personally, and were not limited or restricted by religious dogma, or scriptural creed.

    Recent events on this board suggest that there are still some ex-J.W Christians who have failed to grasp that there now exists, ever widening gaps in the ex-J.W periphery.

    Perhaps these gaps where simply not there when they themselves were hoovered up by the peripheral Christian agenda?

    One thing's for sure however, the gaps are there now, and the peripheral Christian dams which surround the J.W faith are steadily being burst open by an ever increasing thirst for rationality and reason .

    Occasionally, some extremely naïve Christians will belatedly attempt try and re-build the dam, lest ex-Jehovah's Witnesses journey out of the faith, zooming straight past Christ, straight past the Bible and out to that netherworld of who knows what which lies far far beyond the dogmatic religious periphery which once used to make leaving the J.W faith, and enjoying a more balanced, rational outlook... truly one of the most difficult and emotionally arduous tasks known to either man or woman in the latter part of the 20 th century.

    Mick


    An Illustration Of The J.W Egress Dynamic As It Currently Stands?

  • DT
    DT

    That's a brilliant essay. I think many fundamentalists have done Jehovah's Witnesses a great disservice by caring more about advancing their own theology (and often appearing crazy in the process) rather than showing the love needed to free Witnesses from the cult and allowing them to choose their own path.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Insightful.

    A couple of remarks from a pre-Internet xJW whose path out of the WT went on through and out of "mainstream" Christianity.

    In my case knowledge about the WT was secondary. The inside knowledge I had gathered over the years about it was more than sufficient to allow me to leave once (and this was, I guess, the main factor) my perspective about Christianity started to change. I didn't really need anybody to tell me things about the Watchtower I didn't know. I read Crisis of Conscience after I was df'd, I definitely learnt a lot (iow, it was worse than I had thought) but I didn't need that to make the decisive step obviously.

    However, the same dynamics (let's call it "independent theological thinking") which had led me out of JWs into mainstream Christianity eventually led me out of the latter. And this, I suppose, must have happened in a number of cases in the pre-Internet age.

    Now it is true that in the Internet age the amount of information is much bigger, and the access to it much faster. The prospective ex-JW comes across Bible criticism and alternative theology simultaneously, while in the pre-Internet age you would (I did) learn about both more gradually. But that doesn't mean our assimilation capacity is as fast as the information available. And this, I feel, is the "Christian periphery" new opportunity. While many may jump from the WT to atheism as a "rational" conclusion within a few weeks they may find later that this (too?) quick treatment of information leaves them unsatisfied. They may feel (irrational verb intended) they have missed something and proceed to go "back" to look what it is. And on their way "back" (in the general direction of their former religion) they may find something to what they had first skipped (alternative Christian theologies, or non-Christian religions, or religious philosophies). So it may be that some arrows which are shown as escaping the periphery in the diagram eventually return to the periphery from the outside... What do you think?

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff
    While many may jump from the WT to atheism as a "rational" conclusion within a few weeks they may find later that this (too?) quick treatment of information leaves them unsatisfied. They may feel (irrational verb intended) they have missed something and proceed to go "back" to look what it is. And on their way "back" (in the general direction of their former religion) they may find something to what they had first skipped (alternative Christian theologies, or non-Christian religions, or religious philosophies). So it may be that some arrows which are shown as escaping the periphery in the diagram eventually return to the periphery from the outside... What do you think?

    Narkissos, I think that you have hit on a very real trend of exiting JW's... Jumping to the first conclusion.

    When I left JW's, I left as an "angry atheist". I knew enough (though not in a scholarly manner) that not only JW's but most bible based traditional religions were in the same boat.

    What I neglected as I left was an understanding of the human condition, this "thing" that seems to cause a healthier world and life view when we feed our "spiritual" side as opppsed to angrily starving it because we were once fooled as JW's..... Suffice to say, I am no longer an angry atheist.

    So some, like me, do go back, and search for as you put it, "alternative Christian theologies, or non-Christian religions, or religious philosophies".

    I find that traditional Christianity in this context has been slow to recognize their opportunity here, which I agree does exist. However, it must be noted that to seize that opportunity, most religions must adapt, and this has not been the strong point of Christian denominations through the years.

    Ultimately, I think the goal is to think for oneself and not to limit one's exposure to different ideas. That would include a recognition that "spirituality" is not the sole provence of traditional Christian religions.

    One is actually free to map out their own version of spirituality that works for them. The sole criteria being, it works for them. (you) I realize that this runs contrary to how JW's are taught.

    And one doesn't need the resources of the Christian fence makers to make this determination.

    I like one point you made Narkissos....

    I didn't really need anybody to tell me things about the Watchtower I didn't know. I read Crisis of Conscience after I was df'd, I definitely learnt a lot (iow, it was worse than I had thought) but I didn't need that to make the decisive step obviously.

    There are all kinds of ways that exiting JW's actually come to the realization that they need to exit. But I think it better if one sees the "rot" for themselves, as opposed to taking someone's word for it, even if it is Ray Franz.

    CoC did the same for me... It confirmed what I already knew, it didn't really awaken much else. But it was a nice testimony that allowed me to leave with that much more confidence that I was leaving a sham religious club that was made up of make believe people....

  • pseudoxristos
    pseudoxristos

    I've always felt that the religion promoted by the WatchTower Society is so void of spirituality that most ex-Witnesses have a hard time relating the more dynamic experience offered by mainstream Christianity.

    Witnesses are closer in spirituality to Atheist than they are to Christians.

    The WatchTower has worked hard over the years to get rid of any myth or mystery in their religion. No eternal soul, no Trinity, no Hell, no emotion, it's no wonder ex-JWs can't relate to Christianity.

    The WatchTower did a good job of de-programming me of religious beliefs.

    A reluctant, but happy Atheist,

    pseudo

  • cabasilas
    cabasilas

    The Christians soon realised that there were some ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who seemed to be slipping through their nets, and very much arriving at their own conclusions as to what was wrong with...not just the J.W faith, but with religion in general…and of course, even the Bible itself began to receive severely critical reviews by many.

    An interesting commentary. I was there in the early 80s in those pre-Internet days. In those days the two main camps were Evangelical Christians and Ex-Witnesses who still held on to many of the JW distinctives, such as the denial of the Trinity teaching. But, there were others who were prominent. The big books were not published by either of these camps. In 1978, Simon and Shuster published Visions of Glory by Barbara Grizzuti Harrison. (She eventually became a Catholic.) Ten years earlier, an American publishing house published The Inside Story of Jehovah's Witnesses by a former Circuit Overseer named W.C. Stevenson. Stevenson appeared respectful of Christianity, but did not endorse Christian faith in his book. These were the books that made it into libraries and into mainstream bookstores.

    Most people who left the JWs in that era did not take up any faith. For the most part, they weren't agnostic or atheist...they were just burned out on religion. Some of the most active in the protests against JWs at conventions in that era were actually the non-Trinitarian ex-JWs and there was a good contingent of non-religious folk involved too. I remember when there was a big protest at WT headquarters in 1984, the groups involved had to find a common ground because of the divergent views.

    So, while there's some truth to this "periphery" in the past, I would say it's a bit overstated. There's always been a mix of people who leave the JWs and who find themselves trying to enlighten JWs and others about them.

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    A bit of context when this thread was originally done:

    There are in all JW forums a few Christians who come on, and maintain that the only reason that there are former JW's who didn't migrate to another Christian denomination is that the evil GB "stumbled" us, and now, we won't worship Christ, or anyone. At that time, Ronnies board had some visitors, including one who was never a JW who was determined to preach and save "us" and get us back to Christ. I mean, we used to hold Jesus in very high regard, what changed? Out of that, this thread was born.

    I find the assumption that I gave up on Christ/religion due to my JW experience very offensive personally. My reasons for not worshipping has nothing to do with my JW experience in that I was burned out on religion. Quite the contrary, I learned a ton about other beliefs as well, and continued this education upon my JW exit. This included a very deep study of the bible. Some scholarly research, some common sense re-reading of books, chapters, and passages.

    And yet, Christians continue to come in and insinuate all sorts of inaccurate ideas concerning my feelings toward religion, Christ, et al.

    I came to my own conclusions. And while it is absolutely true that my anger toward the Governing Body is real, I find that other religions have the same flaws when it comes to intellectual honesty, holes in belief, faith and dogma that JW's do.

    Just because Jesus has been worshipped for centuries, and JW's never did worship Jesus, doesn't mean that worshiping Jehovah or Jesus is correct.

    And yet, worshippers of Jesus have always used as a base argument that JW's are wrong because JW's don't worship Jesus. That is a theological argument.

    But the reasons why many leave has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with the failed prophecies, whitewashed history, and outright lies that the Governing Body promotes. The lack of love, the mistreatment of its members has allowed many to open their eyes and investigate, not only JW dogma, but the bible and Christian dogma as well. All at the same time.

    It's a difficult thing for Christian theists to wrap their mind around, but more and more, ex JW types have really opened up the critical thinking skills and question everything. When you do that, you don't assume an answer, you go where the facts and evidence lead. Christians seem fond of thinking that they are right simply because they were never JW's, as if thats the only hurdle they have to conquer. But they don't realize that the biggest mistake exiting JW's made, turning off their brains, is exactly why they just dont accept the standard "Accept Christ and be saved" line.

    Really? Why should exiting JW's do that? What if Christ was just a man whose legend grew into a myth that is working on 2000 years now. What if Christian religions since the time of Christ have a history of holding the bible over the heads of its flock for power and control? What if history shows that religion has hindered, not advanced the sciences and arts, or civil rights?

    It's all there to discover on your own, if you are willing to do so.

    And that is why Christianity may be fighting a losing battle where harvesting former JW's are concerned. For sure, as this forum demonstrates, there are many who move on to another church or denomination, and that is fine, esp if that was their personal choice that isn't forced on another.

    But the insistence of some Christians in their arguments toward former JW's that the reason they cease worship is a simple stumbling is wrong and offensive. Esp if they have never been a JW. They just don't understand.

    The point is, one doesn't have to run to another Christian church to learn of the sins of the Governing Body and choose to leave. The resources have expanded for the exiting JW.

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    It is to be expected that most people who post on a xJW forum and were never JWs themselves (or have no intimate connection with the JW world, such as a JW spouse for instance) are there "on a mission" -- and that such mission is more likely to be Christian than non-Christian, religious than secular, and so on.

    What they may not realise at first (and some of them never realise) is that an apologetic attitude (against atheism, agnosticism, evolution or Bible criticism) is the surest way to fail in such a mission, because ex-JWs have already heard, read and practiced too much of this (most of which was already borrowed from non-JW Christian apologetics). The same applies to an extent to "prooftext"-thumping doctrinal arguments: while some xJWs may be attracted to the possibility of reaching opposite conclusions using the same method, most of them have seen through the flaws of the method itself (and, ironically, the constant ping-pong verse-quoting contest between Trinitarians and anti-Trinitarians -- for instance -- may get that point across to those who have missed it so far). What remains is the "testimony" attitude, which doesn't try to prove or be "logically" or "scripturally" constraining. This imo is potentially the most helpful, whether it brings some xJW to church or to another interpretation of their own path.

  • cabasilas
    cabasilas

    And yet, worshippers of Jesus have always used as a base argument that JW's are wrong because JW's don't worship Jesus. That is a theological argument.

    Christians, of course, do criticize the religious beliefs yet most Christians I know criticize much more than that. Many Christians I've met will often concentrate on an authority issue ("Is the Governing Body really the Faithful and Discreet Slave's representatives or not?") approach first. Thus, the attacks on the WT Society regarding false prophecy, or how the "Faithful and Wise Servant" was understood historically (up until 1927 the FDS was Russell himself), or the crazy shenanigans during Rutherford's era (Beth Sarim, no marriage for the "Jonadabs"), etc. Some Christians who work with JWs will avoid almost all religious discussions until the authority issue is dealt with first.

    And yet, Christians continue to come in and insinuate all sorts of inaccurate ideas concerning my feelings toward religion, Christ, et al.

    That is sad to see. Yet, I think there are many Christians who understand that people make their own choices honestly. One of the things I like about this board is that often the different factions here can find ways to work together to help JWs and ex-JWs.

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