Which of gods rules did all those animals break, so they had to die out, totally, without hardly any traces? Which rules decreed by god drove him to expunge all those animals?
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No, God does NOT have the right to make rules for us - and here's why . . . .
by nicolaou 53 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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yknot
.... quite an interesting point to ponder ....
Yknot - (Who still very much obeys her parents because she was so well indoctrinated not to "disappoint" them.)
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WTWizard
I believe that no God has any right to make rules to which He is not liable to follow Himself. What gives Jehovah the right to decide that a certain person must die for no reason other than being in a country that doesn't worship Him? What gives that Almighty Lowlife Scumbag the right to make rules, or tamper with circumstances, just so He can get a person to do His will (which is harmful to all on earth)? Absolutely nothing.
I see only one natural Law, and everyone (especially God) should be observing it. That Law is "No person, entity, or Being has the right to initiate the use of force, threats of force, or fraud against another person or their property. Force is morally and legally justified only in defense against those, including God, who violate the above." And I can think of plenty of incidents, both in the Unholy Bible and today, where that Almighty Lowlife Scumbag violates that Law consistently. Death and hell threats, Original Sin, and putting the book of Job in lieu of helping us now are all examples of this violation.
For sure, God has no right to make rules for us and then not obey them Himself.
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frankiespeakin
I don't know,,, I mean we eat all kinds of animals we farm them,, or raise them simply for our own food right? We tell them what to do, we slaughter them and eat them by the millions. Maybe we really are created in the biblical god's image the way we tear through the population of a species we consider inferior. Maybe god's attitude towards us is no different from the butcher's towards a piece of meat he's cutting up.
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keyser soze
I don't really believe in god to begin with, but I look at it from the perspective of a landlord. Does the landlord have the right to enforce certain rules upon the people he allows to live in his building?
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leavingwt
Does the landlord have the right to enforce certain rules upon the people he allows to live in his building?
Well...before I moved into a rental property, I examined a rental agreement. Moreover, I'm free to leave the building.
Therefore, perhaps a better analogy is needed.
Not to mention, anyone can tell you that MOST landlords are a$$holes. It's just how it works.
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keyser soze
My point was simply that some rules actually have value to them, that's why they're put into place. They're to protect one person from the actions of another. I also stated in the other thread, that any rules imposed by god should have such a value to them. Our free will shouldn't impose on others.
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leavingwt
Keyser,
Gotcha.
-LWT
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PrimateDave
There are in fact already "rules" that are made for us that apply universally (Pun!) and which cannot be disobeyed. Gravity, electro-magnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces are fundamental to physics (not psychics!). No one can disobey the law of gravity. However, to disregard its effects could lead to death.
The existence of all life on earth is defined by the harnessing and directing of flows of energy. Nuclear fusion from the sun releases electromagnetic energy in the form of photons which stream out into space. A small fraction of those photons reach the earth. Some life forms evolved the ability to chemically store that incoming energy in molecular form.
Aside from reproducing, life forms exhibit the capability to export entropy as long as sufficient energy can be absorbed by the organism. The success of any lifeform is soley judged (not trying to anthropomorphise nature, but hopefully you get my drift) on its ability to reproduce, which in turn is based on how successfully it can utilize energy from its environment.
Early humans were like any other animal in their ability to directly interact with the environment to obtain the needed energy to grow and reproduce. When early humans learned to use tools and manage fire, their ability to survive even in hostile environments increased. The development of agriculture gave much greater yields of energy to humans than they had previously known as hunter-gatherers.
The excess energy increased population and allowed greater social complexity to develop. With that social complexity humans began to attempt to understand and control their environment more. They developed beliefs in spirits and gods that could be petitioned for success or appeased for forgiveness.
The current success of humans on earth is based on the multiple forms of energy we have learned to harness, much of which has recently come from ancient sunlight captured by photosynthesis and stored in molecular form (fossil fuels). Sadly, despite our current level of social complexity, we are still tied to the ancient superstitions and more than a few modern ones as well.
Whether or not there is a deity, the laws of the natural universe are undeniable. What is interesting to me is that the ancient deities of mankind were no more aware of these complex laws that the priests who served them. The evidence suggests that men made gods in their image. Therefore, the rules of social organization attributed to gods were instead the inventions of men.
Dave
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BluesBrother
Let us define what is "God"
"The one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe."..........That definition is the first one on Dictionary.com, and the way that I understand and use the word
Now if that be the case, it stands to reason that He could make rules. As I believe I said on the other thread, If we live in his garden, the owner can say what is or is not to be done. That is his "right"
It also makes sense to me that if he is superior we might be better off following his ideas rather than our own.
But I do not expect everyone to agree with me. I learned better when I stopped being a dub...