eugenics anyone?

by ninja 76 Replies latest jw friends

  • Psychotic Parrot
    Psychotic Parrot

    Scientists make mistakes, but when you want advice on genetics, the best person to ask is a geneticist. People who know what they are talking about are the best people to ask on any given subject & it just so happens that people who know what they are talking about on any given field just happen to be labelled as scientists.

    Big FUCKING Deal!

    They're still human beings, just like me or you. Scientists are know more or less human than us, they just happen to know a lot about whatever it is they studied at university, which is a good thing surely? Wouldn't you rather get advice from someone who has put in the time to study? Someone who is demonstrably intelligent?

    Nope, you'd rather get advice from an archaic book which is at best a piece of shit.

  • Mad Dawg
    Mad Dawg

    Midget said:

    Planned parenthod has gotten alot of bad press but I honestly think it wasn't about eugenics.

    Margaret Sanger

    Founder of Planned Parenthood

    In Her Own Words

    From Here

    Copyright © 2001 Diane S. Dew www.dianedew.com

    "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."

    Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race

    (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

    On blacks, immigrants and indigents:

    "...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

    On sterilization & racial purification:

    Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

    On the right of married couples to bear children:

    Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932

    On the purpose of birth control:

    The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

    On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:

    "More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

    On the extermination of blacks:

    "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

    On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:

    In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107

    On marital sex:

    "The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23)

    On the YMCA and YWCA:

    "...brothels of the Spirit and morgues of Freedom!"), The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.

    On motherhood:

    "I cannot refrain from saying that women must come to recognize there is some function of womanhood other than being a child-bearing machine." What Every Girl Should Know, by Margaret Sanger (Max Maisel, Publisher, 1915) [Jesus said: "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep... for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed (happy) are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts which never gave suck." (Luke 23:24)]

    On mandatory sterilization of the poor:

    One of Sanger's greatest influences, sexologist/eugenicist Dr. Havelock Ellis (with whom she had an affair, leading to her divorce from her first husband), urged mandatory sterilization of the poor as a prerequisite to receiving any public aid. The Problem of Race Regeneration, by Havelock Ellis, p. 65,

    On eradicating 'bad stocks':

    The goal of eugenicists is "to prevent the multiplication of bad stocks," wrote Dr. Ernst Rudin in the April 1933 Birth Control Review (of which Sanger was editor). Another article exhorted Americans to "restrict the propagation of those physically, mentally and socially inadequate."

    I don’t believe that it is mere coincedence that Planned Parenthood has a disproportionate number of their clinics in minority neighborhoods, particularly black. Or that blacks are over represented in abortion statistics. PP is all about eugenics.

    I can’t/don’t fault any one for screening to ensure they don’t pass on Huntington’s or MS to futre generations. The problem is when an outside entity tries to impose eugenics on others

  • Psychotic Parrot
    Psychotic Parrot

    Plenty of eugenics in the bible. Just look at the flood & the early Isralite's exploits after the exodus.

  • Midget-Sasquatch
    Midget-Sasquatch

    Mad Dawg

    Wow. Those were some very disturbing quotes. I never really looked into the founder and her possible prejudices. I just looked at how PP was offering birth control to the less priviledged.

    But I always saw it as a way to get them out of the poverty trap. Too many children and they'll have trouble to feed them etc. Instead if more resources can be devoted to fewer children, they'll hopefully have more opporunities open to them.

    Good to be aware of the possible agendas of those offering these services. But then again, thats why I agree with you that having such services imposed on people is wrong. They should just be made available and people do what they will with it. People have essentially been doing something like that naturally anways (i.e. sexual selection). Its excellent because its all about free choice.

  • passwordprotected
    passwordprotected

    Plenty of eugenics in the bible. Just look at the flood & the early Isralite's exploits after the exodus.

    But we're talking about scientists; considering you view the Bible to be a bunch of fairy stories, it's probably best to keep the the facts. Also, does these stories in the Bible negate or perhaps even validate what the scientists are doing?

  • passwordprotected
    passwordprotected

    Nope, you'd rather get advice from an archaic book which is at best a piece of shit.

    At the end of the day, scientists rely on funding and they are usually funded by people with a vested interest in the outcome of their research. Follow the money.

    A university education? Is that all it takes to impress you and put your balls on the line? As I've said before, good luck to you.

  • rebel8
    rebel8
    Oh, Ninja. Those scientists are very, very intelligent. They have high IQs which equates with them knowing what's best for us. So, it's probably nothing to worry about.

    Your digs at science, intelligence, and intellects are quite angry and sarcastic.

    You possess the ability to debate politely, yet for some reason all of the sudden, you're choosing not to use it. Interesting.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    So I'm trying to understand the jist of this thread. Let me know if I've got this straight.

    • The White House Chief of Staff wrote a book 30 years ago that said overpopulation is a very serious issue. He was and is right.
    • He discussed the pros and cons of various ways to address it, and did or did not advocate for some illegal/radical/unsavory ways to control population growth (not exterminate anyone)-we're not sure what he said because no one has the book handy.
    • He supports health care reform, which means he wants to kill babies and give everyone birth control.
    • Margaret Sanger was a nutjob.
    • The duties of the White House Chief of Staff is overseeing the actions of other members of White House staff, managing the president's timetable, and controlling outsiders' access to the president. Posters here are worried this guy will convince the President to spike drinking water with birth control.
    • Passwordprotected is constipated.

    Did I miss anything?

  • Yizuman
    Yizuman

    Hitler loved reading from Margaret Sanger as well as many books authored by Americans. Have you ever wondered what books he has read that shaped his life? A life that shaped him into a German dictator and a monster of the holocaust?

    Most of the eugenic books Hitler read by most majority were from American authors. While some where from Germany and other countries.

    Yiz

  • Psychotic Parrot
    Psychotic Parrot

    A university education? Is that all it takes to impress you and put your balls on the line? As I've said before, good luck to you.

    A university education is a fuck load more impressive than no university education. Yusee a university education (and i'm assuming you don't have one) requires a lot of work, & yes, people who put in a lot of work do impress me. Besides, it takes more than just a university education to become a respected scientist. Some actual work after university helps a lot as well.

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