I guess court stenograhpers will not inherit God's Kingdom!
Recording a Judicial Committee Hearing
by Olin Moyles Ghost 24 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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oompa
i had to record a guy at a company once who was asking for bribes....it was for their own loss prevention dept....i was nervous as crap....anyway....they gave me a pen that was a mic and i stuck it in my shirt pocket...the wire went through a tiny hole i snipped in the shirt behind the pocked and it went to a digital recorder clipped to back side of my belt inside the waistline.
olin i think it would be fun to tell them you really need to record the meeting because you have an attention deficit disorder or even short term memory problems which is common.......when they say no......you tell them you will attend but they run the risk of being secretly recorded because you may not remember them saying no....lol....what are they going to do?....strip search you?........if they ask you at the meeting if you are recording you could just tell them "you never know, so be careful what you say.....and btw, even if i was i would never admit it"........of course they will assume you are recording and it will probably be nervous as crap....................oompa
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Shepherd Book
In my situation, I stopped the elders before it escalated to a judicial meeting. But I did record the phone conversations I had with the local elder.
I also explained in a letter that I refused to meet with them unless I was able to record the meetings.
Here are the recordings and a copy of the letter I sent: http://www.watchtowerletters.com/leaving.html
CIVICSI00 - Yes, definitely record the meetings. Do it secretively, if possible (hide a small camcorder in a backpack, for example).
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donuthole
The problem with recording the meetings secretly is that it may be illegal depending on your state/local laws, and it is dishonest. However if you are cool with that ...
There are certainly times I would have liked to have had my JC meetings taped.
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Olin Moyles Ghost
In the USA, most states allow you to record conversations to which you are a party. In other words, you can record a conversation if you're part of the conversation--such as during a JC. Some states require all parties to consent. A handy summary of state laws can be found here: http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states.html.
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undercover
The problem with recording the meetings secretly is that it may be illegal depending on your state/local laws, and it is dishonest.
If I were going to do it, I'd check to make sure it was legal (thanks to OMG, it's easy to figure out now), just to save from getting into potential trouble but as for the dishonesty part...um, this is the WT Society we're talking about. What does honesty have to do with anything?
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babel on
You could lie and tell them "no, Im not recording this" and still not be doing wrong according to them! The organization has stated on numerous ocassions that it is not wrong to lie to someone who is not entitled to the truth, have they not and I do not think Lynch mob, inquisition participants are the least bit entitled to it! Wow, I finally agree with the WTS on something! as long as your conducting spiritual warefare......well your in a situation that involves spiritual warfare........just on the other side. I don't really think it's OK to lie and would never show up to the absurd thing, but if you choose to, please record it so that we can all hear it!
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Fadeout
From the recordings I've heard, it seems to be standard procedure for the JC to ask whether you are recording.
If you don't want to outright lie to the JC, take a recorder out of your pocket and put it on the table at the beginning of the meeting, and say, "I'd like to record the meeting, if you don't mind."
They will of course tell you that is not allowed. After some minor protest, accede to their wishes and shut it off.
Meanwhile, the hidden one is still recording in your pocket.
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choosing life
If it is legal in your state, you have the right to have a record of any judicial action they take against you. They won't allow a witness or note taking.
That leaves a hidden recorder. Their rules, I guess.
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Black Sheep
It is ok to not tell them you are recording. This is from their official website.
Moreover, we need to consider whether the person asking for information is entitled to a comprehensive answer. For instance, suppose Manfred had been asked the same questions by an executive of another company. Would Manfred have been obliged to tell him everything? Not really. Since that executive had no right to such information, Manfred would have had no obligation to provide it. Of course, even in this case, it would have been wrong for him to tell a lie.
What example did Jesus Christ set in this regard? On one occasion, Jesus was conversing with some unbelievers who showed interest in his travel plans. “Pass on over from here and go into Judea,” they advised him. What was Jesus’ reply? “You go up to the festival [in Jerusalem]; I am not yet going up to this festival, because my due time has not yet fully come.” Shortly thereafter, Jesus did travel to Jerusalem for the festival. Why did he answer that way? They were not entitled to know the exact details of his whereabouts. So while Jesus did not utter an untruth, he gave them an incomplete answer in order to limit the possible harm they could do to him or to his followers. This was not a lie, for the apostle Peter wrote about Christ: “He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth.”—John 7:1-13; 1 Peter 2:22.