Can i file a law suit against the WTS?

by God_Delusion 20 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • God_Delusion
    God_Delusion

    I had a brief chat with my lawyer last week and discussed religion as I always do with him (he's an atheist). He asked how the JW's were doing and so I told him that I no longer go and that I to am an athiest (well, not entirely an atheist as I do believe that there may be some other forces out there somewhere and will believe that until it has been proved otherwise).

    He was very pleased to hear this.

    Anyway, I asked him if it would be possible to file a law suit against the WTS?

    He asked in what way and why?

    I explained to him that sooner or later, I would get df'd and that I would then be shunned by everyone. He became outraged at this. I told him that the WTS is a charity in the country in which I live. He told me he would look into this but told me that as far as he knows, no charity can ask its members to stop talking to another ex-member.

    I told him that they've even put it in writing in their own literature. He was quite upset at hearing this.

    This could be really interesting!

  • vilot
    vilot

    It depends on what country you live if the US you don't have a chance freedom of religion and speech. Even if you could do you have endless funds to fight a multi year lawsuit the WTS has unlimited funds and an army of lawyers. You can not force people to not shun you. Think about it if people are willing to shun you are these people you really want to associate with including family. I have family that shun me and it is just fine with me I want nothing to do with them.

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    Good luck. The jws are also a religion, which muddies the waters. For some reason, they have the right to throw people out. Some describe it as deciding who can belong to your club.

    Many have wanted to sue, some have tried, but I know of no one who has succeeded. I would love for you to succeed however.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    I don't think that you can sue an organization ( corporate entity) for what its members ( Non-voting) may do social to ex-members.

    I don't think that there is any written policy in regards to "shunning" disfellowshiped ex-JW's in the WTS, from what I gather it tends to be strongly suggested and if people do it, it is their responsibility and not the organizations, at least from a legal viewpoint.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Never sue a moron with a team of free lawyers (unless you have lots of free time and plenty of spare cash).

    Good luck.

  • undercover
    undercover

    Yep, you can file a lawsuit against the Society.

    You won't win, but you can still try if you want.

  • sir82
    sir82

    Yeah, lotsa luck. You're only about the 1,567,958th person whose had the idea "sue the Watchtower because they have / might disfellowship me".

    The US court system grants a very wide berth to religions and their internal operational rules, and "Jehovah's Witnesses", like it or not, are a legitimate religion.

    Even if that weren't the case, as LWT noted, it's hard to fight against an entity with a team of free, in-house lawyers with lots of experience defending against lawsuits.

  • God_Delusion
    God_Delusion

    I am actually not bothered if I get df'd or not. I am bothered by the fact that the organisation openly instructs its members to stop communicating with you. That can't be right, can it?

    Well no, I don't have any funds in which to sue. It could be a good idea to create a foundation that can act on all that have been df'd. A small donation, maybe $5.00 from 40% that have been df'd in the past 3 years could be enough to take them on.

    Wishful thinking I suppose.

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    I know someone who sued... It made him go broke
    Because the JW lawyer ( Glen Howe )kept postponing & post postponing
    Then look at poor old Quotes. They would have taken him to the Cleaners
    I wish I could remember the name of the Brother that sued it must have
    been about 22 years ago.He died before it was ever settled. Not worth it.
    in my humble opinion ,The devil could do( except extend life) everything God could do,
    & they have the lawyers to prove it.
    I guess they went to college eH???/

  • yknot
    yknot

    Alan F had a great article on that includes some commentary on a letter written by Philip Brumley

    http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/aspect-of-legalism-of-jehovahs.html

    Here is a snippet of the article.....

    To further show the Society's legalistic view of baptism, here are some excerpts from a lengthy letter written in the early 1990s by a Watchtower attorney, Philip Brumley, to a person who questioned the Society's legal right to disfellowship him:

    I represent Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., the parent organization of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the United States. By means of your numerous letters and telephone calls to this office, I have been informed that your membership in the organizations of Jehovah's Witnesses was terminated when you were disfellowshiped from the English Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, [xyztown], Massachusetts....

    The relationship between a congregation and its member is consensual as to both parties. A congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses is a voluntary association. Both the member and the congregation have a right to determine if they will remain united. The member has the right to disassociate himself or herself from the congregation. The congregation also has the right to separate from a member if it is determined by an ecclesiastical tribunal, which Jehovah's Witnesses call a judicial committee, that a member is not conducting his or her life according to the tenets of the religion.

    A. If a member no longer wishes to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, then the member may disassociate himself or herself from the congregation. The term "disassociation" applies to the action taken by a person who, although being a baptized member of the congregation, repudiates his or her Christian standing as such, rejecting the congregation and stating that he or she no longer wants to be recognized or known as one of Jehovah's Witnesses. A brief announcement would be made to inform the congregation that the person has voluntarily disassociated himself or herself from the congregation.

    B. If a member is charged with wrongdoing and wishes to continue to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, then such one should submit to the hearings of the judicial committee. If charges of wrongdoing are brought to the attention of the body of elders of one's congregation, then they investigate the charges. If it is established that there may be substance to the charges and evidence is produced showing that a serious sin actually may have been committed, the congregation's body of elders will assign a judicial committee, consisting usually of three elders, to handle the matter....

    II. APPLICABLE SECULAR LAW

    C. Relation Between the Congregations and its members. It is axiomatic that the essence of the relationship of a religious society with its members is held by the courts to be the agreement of the parties, and generally, a profession of faith, adherence to the doctrine of the religious society and submission to its government. 76 C.J.S. Religious Societies 11 (1952). A party having voluntarily assented to becoming a member of a congregation thereby subjects himself or herself to the existing rules and procedures of said congregation and cannot deny their existence. All who unite themselves to such a voluntary religious organization do so with the implied consent to this government and are bound to submit to it....

    Since you did not disassociate yourself from the organization, then under the law you gave implied consent to its government, subjecting yourself to the existing rules and procedures and being bound legally to submit to it. The theocratic government of the congregation to which you legally submitted includes specifically the legal agency of Jehovah's Witnesses, known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., and all their duly appointed representatives, including the elders of the congregation with which you were associated. The rules and procedures which you subjected yourself to include those of the judicial committee arrangement set forth in detail above....

    Note that the above legalese says that once a person joins the Witnesses, he has only two choices if he wants to leave: disfellowshipping and disassociation. These two choices are enforced by American law. However, even if the Watchtower lawyer has correctly stated matters, he has neglected the case of the child who gets baptized and submits to "ecclesiastical law." By law minors cannot enter into legally binding contracts. Therefore by law, people who got baptized when they were children have a third legally enforceable option when they leave: to simply quit, without disassociating and without submitting to a judicial committee, or "ecclesiastical tribunal." Of course, the Society will not tell people about this.

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