What can be done about those who go berserk with a gun?

by badboy 206 Replies latest jw friends

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    More from the BBC:

    The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.

    It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.

    Of the 20 police areas with the lowest number of legally held firearms, 10 had an above average level of gun crime.

    And of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally held guns only two had armed crime levels above the average

  • besty
    besty

    care to post my demand for homicide stats of all kinds?

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Don't waste your time Robbie. Besty fell out of the retard tree head first and hit every branch on the way down.

    BTS

  • Robdar
    Robdar
    Don't waste your time Robbie. Besty fell out of the retard tree head first and hit every branch on the way down.

    LMAO.

    But BTS, Besty is just such an enlightened and wise, not to mention loverly, person. Surely he knows all.

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    It is past my bed time. Sweet dreams and sleep well, BTS.

  • besty
    besty

    erm BTS - i was talking to you.

    He starts out demanding homicide stats (of all kinds), then subtly changes to gun related deaths.

    like I said to you - care to paste my demand for homicide stats of all kinds?

  • besty
    besty
    It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession. Of the 20 police areas with the lowest number of legally held firearms, 10 had an above average level of gun crime. And of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally held guns only two had armed crime levels above the average.

    no link - I agree - correlation is not causation. But you knew that right Robbie paid ALOT? You've been mentioning the problems with correlation and causation all the way through this thread, haven't you? Haven't you?

  • kurtbethel
    kurtbethel

    I have been looking at statistics and find them interesting. Sites like nationmaster.com and others have murder rates and other violent crime rates. I have not seen any correlation between legal gun ownership and murder rates. Some nations have tight gun restrictions and high murder rates (Mexico, South Africa), while others have legal gun ownership with lower murder rates. (Switzerland) Those may be anomalies.

    It might be intuitive to think that low gun ownership will translate into lower rate of murders by guns. This may provide some consolation for those who think being murdered with a gun is particularly odious. But here in the Bethel household, when you are dead, you're dead!

    If you are interested in having a lower murder rate then addressing the social factors that lead to violence and murder would be useful and productive. Putting a prohibition on one of the murder weapons has not been proven to have any permanent effect on the overall rates of murder, and will certainly create a large infrastructure of black market suppliers and corruption in the manner that drug prohibition has done. Gun prohibition would almost certainly follow this model unless a nation has very tight controls over what crosses its borders. There is one other part of this issue that is overlooked in the nationmaster statistics. Firearms are often used to repel potential violence, usually without being discharged. The number of attacks that are prevented must be taken account of when doing a cost benefit analysis.

    There are no simplistic sound bite answers to using a firearm policy to reduce violent and deadly crime.

    Very likely I pissed everone off here tonight. Good.

  • besty
    besty

    Thanks for some decent input Kurt*

    *Marked Kurt as a poster who talks sense.

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    ~marks Beasty as a blow hard ~

    again.

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