So I think it's time for all these war mongering xtians to shut their f*** mouth and sit down.
And exactly when did you shut your mouth over the last 8 years. I have every bit as much right to voice my opinion as you do. So take your own advice
A Return to Human Sacrifice?
by cameo-d 18 Replies latest watchtower bible
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Deputy Dog
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journey-on
Isn't that the same video "they" use to show the attrocities done to the Kurdish people by Sadam Hussein with his chemicals?!
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Deputy Dog
I could put videos from abortions on here to, what would you call that?
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glenster
"WAR IS HUMAN SACRIFICE RITUAL TOO."
We all, except criminals, would prefer heaven on earth and no crime, but there
will probably be a need for police and militia, the same in many governments, to
minimize crime as long as common human selfishness is common. (It's debated,
but a good case can be made that it's part of what is commended in Rom.13.) But
I wouldn't do as the JWS leaders do and put the ones who may risk their lives
for defense on the same moral plane as those who commit the crime of being on
the offense or who overstep their bounds.
http://gtw6437.tripod.com/id20.html
Neutrality (the JWs leaders don't require pacifism) may be an optional
personal judgment call, but I don't see it as morally superior for a person to
stand by and not help when another is attacked. If you or anyone you care about
were ever the victim of serious crime, you probably wouldn't admire someone for
not helping with defense or want the police to not exist.
For one JWs leaders' example of bad leadership about it, Rutherford set his
German followers up to be martyrs (human sacrifices?) in WWII and had his US
JWs actually try to talk prospective JWS out of fighting against the Nazis.
Subsequent JWs leaders have also had their followers not help with police or
military defense.
Regarding Irag--"Why is no one concerned with helping them?"
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Iraq -
cameo-d
Deputy dawg:
So I think it's time for all these war mongering xtians to shut their f*** mouth and sit down.
And exactly when did you shut your mouth over the last 8 years. I have every bit as much right to voice my opinion as you do. So take your own advice
My comment (in quoted text above) was not personally directed to you. (Unless you think the shoe fits?)
My comment was intended to all those people who claim to be "christians" (which should mean attempting to walk in the ways of Jesus) and yet they promoted war by plastering their cars with nasty pro-war bumper stickers and wearing their support our troops ribbons and displaying puffed up redneck pride in destroying a civilization and killing people.
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cameo-d
Caliber:
There is a difference between ritual murder and murder is there not..... why confuse the two ?
Caliber, you bring up several very good points. I think this article will help to answer many of those questions.
article excerpt:
Is War a Ritual Human Sacrifice?
This mental illness, also called religion, is profound in the human species, and is at the root of practically all wars, those of the 20th century included, despite claims by religionists that Nazism and Communism were "godless" and "atheistic," a charge also laid against early Christians for their disbelief in the typical form of the supernatural.
...that Hitler claimed all along to be a devout Catholic and gave many favors to the Catholic Church; and that Stalin had been groomed for the Russian Orthodox priesthood, is the fact that these dictators, as well as other dictators of the past, believed themselves to be chosen, superior, or destined to rule by supernatural forces that they attempted to propitiate. Be it "God" or the "Devil," it is still religion.
Of course, Christianity also incorporated human sacrifice in its exhortations to martyrdom.
....a tremendous portion of the Old Testament is a chronicle of genocide, human and animal sacrifice, and regicide - the sacrifice of the sacred king. Because of propaganda that the biblical peoples were "the chosen" and, therefore, everything they represented was "godly," ....
One of the most famous biblical stories, that of Abraham and his son Isaac, concerns human/child sacrifice. It is obvious from this story that such sacrifice was common, as Abram/Abraham seems quite comfortable with the notion, and the story is written as if such behavior were implicitly understood. In addition, biblical king after king is murdered, after being anointed, just like the "king of kings," Jesus. This sacred king ritual is what is recorded in the New Testament - not as a "historical" occurrence, but as an ongoing human sacrifice ritual that transpired repeatedly around and in Palestine.....
In fact, the priesthood of Moloch is that of Melchizedek ("Righteous Moloch"), a mythical character who in the Bible is given authority over not only Abraham but Jesus. Hence, the cult of Moloch is to reign supreme behind the scenes. Thus, it would not at all be surprising if clandestinely these wretched sacrifices have taken place over the centuries, somewhere in the world.
The manuscript can be read in it's entirity here: http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/warritual.html
And by the way, this material is authored by:
Acharya S. is a classically trained archaeologist, historian, mythologist and linguist, as well as a member of the American School of Classical Studies at Athens, Greece, and the associate director of the Institute for Historical Accuracy.
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Deputy Dog
Cameo-d
My comment (in quoted text above) was not personally directed to you. (Unless you think the shoe fits?)
I don't have a problem with the fit. I can wear it. I'm still proud of our troops and what they do for us every day as well as the great job they did in Iraq. It was up to Sadam Hussein to stop in Iraq. It's up to the terrorist to stop it now. I have a video that plays nonstop in my head (and it's more than a few seconds long) of scooping up body parts after 9/11/01. I know the stench of war do you? Or do I need to go into more detail? I'll live with the reality of this war and who started it for the rest of my life. I just find the defense of abortion (infanticide) on the left interesting, in light of your video. Should I post one? -
Marlene
yay to human sacrifice first thing in the morning!!
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glenster
"people who claim to be "christians...and yet they promoted war."
That case is only clear regarding offense. It's a forced point if in
reference to the debated matter of Christianity and government defense or
general ethics. For balance, see p.6 at the next link.
http://gtw6437.tripod.com/id20.html
cameo-d/Acharya S.: "that Hitler claimed all along to be a devout Catholic and
gave many favors to the Catholic Church; and that Stalin had been groomed for
the Russian Orthodox priesthood, is the fact that these dictators, as well as
other dictators of the past, believed themselves to be chosen, superior, or
destined to rule by supernatural forces that they attempted to propitiate. Be it
'God' or the 'Devil,' it is still religion."
Where did he get his information, which sounds like the JWs leaders' line on
the issue--just make it up? It's ironic, because those men propagandized. We
don't know they believed their own efforts at a cult of personality any more
than Popoff didn't know he had a radio transmitter in his ear. You can bring up
those men making themselves out to be heroes and compare it with religion, but
a few details about their relationships with religion should be added. From the
timeline about JWs leaders and persecution, war, etc., on page 6 at the same
link:
Hitler was raised by Catholic parents but abandoned the Catholic church and
didn't receive the sacraments. In contrast to the scriptures by apostle Paul
about assimilating among the Jewish and Gentile people and persuading their case
peacefully (Jesus didn't teach to find people who believe differently and beat
them up), with God showing no favoritism about race (Acts 17:16; 1 Cor.10:32-11:
1), abiding by government unless it calls on them to go against God then follow
God (Acts 5:29; Rom.13:1-7), Hitler was taken by a pseudo-scientific racist
version of social Darwinism to the extent of favoring eugenics and was murder-
ously anti-Semitic and nationalistic. When it came to a choice between Chris-
tianity and those things, he went with those things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_darwinism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
Hitler only professed to be Christian at times for political reasons since he
otherwise denied that he was and had strongly anti-scriptural beliefs and prac-
tices. Whatever slim chance there was that he may have believed he was Chris-
tian at times, the Bible believer, rightfully offended by Hitler's version, can
make a case for him being an apostate, and a critic of Christianity who wants to
paint with a broad brush to bash it (ironically with as much discernment as a
"Christian" with Hitler's blend of beliefs) may take his superficial quotes out
of context to leave the impression that he was Christian. Without being a mind-
reader, I know apostle James would advise you can tell his faith by his works so
to see Hitler as insincere. Whether one wants to believe in the Bible or not,
if Adolf Hitler isn't an example of an apostate, I'd hate to see what you'd need
dredged up to meet the requirement.
Part of Hitler's PR for power involved pandering to Christian faith for sup-
port against a popularly felt threat of Stalin's persecution of religion and
atheism--as long as the church didn't want much control in the matter. Part of
it was bonding with brutal anti-Semitism and nationalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler#Hitler.27s_religious_beliefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_darwinism
Stalin had the Russian Orthosox Church put through "Continuous persecution in
the 1930s" which "resulted in its near-extinction: by 1939, active parishes
numbered in the low hundreds (down from 54,000 in 1917), many churches had been
leveled, and tens of thousands of priests, monks and nuns were persecuted and
killed. Over 100,000 were shot during the purges of 1937–1938."
"Many religions popular in the ethnic regions of the Soviet Union including
the Roman Catholic Church, Uniats, Baptists, Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc.
underwent ordeals similar to the Orthodox churches in other parts: thousands of
monks were persecuted, and hundreds of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples,
sacred monuments, monasteries and other religious buildings were razed."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin#Religion
If most of Christendom, notably the Catholic leaders, supported Hitler during
WWII, I think Hitler would have won. Regarding the Watchtower reference to
those of other religions supporting a plan for a "master race," the JWs leaders
seem to like their propaganda in an ironic style--see the entries for Nov.12,
1930 to Oct.28, 1942 (not long after Rutherford passed away) on the timeline on
p.6 about the JWs leaders support of eugenics and anti-Semitism while the Nazi
government blatantly furthered both.
http://gtw6437.tripod.com/id20.html
A proper generalization refers to what's mostly true--most Catholics and Pro-
testants fought against the Nazi effort.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_anti-Semitism#Opposition_to_the_Holocaust
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Pope
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Hitler%27s_Pope
Hitler's positive Christianity ultimately failed in Germany:
"The German Christians led by Ludwig Müller were the principal agents in Hit-
ler's early attempt to Nazify Christianity in Germany by uniting the Protestant
churches under Müller's leadership, but this proposal met with resistance, as it
was rejected by many Christian pastors under the leadership of Martin Niemöller.
Following this failure, Hitler backtracked on attempts to directly Nazify the
churches."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity
The Reichskonkordat was signed on July 20, 1933, by Eugenio Cardinal Pacelli
and Franz von Papen on behalf of Pope Pius XI and President Paul von Hindenburg,
respectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichskonkordat
http://romanchristendom.blogspot.com/2008/11/so-what-was-this-reichskoncordat-that.html
The evidence indicates that the truth isn't the same as Rutherford's
propaganda about Catholic leaders:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Pope
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Pius_XII
http://www.randytv.com/Hitler/beyond_revisionism.htm
Besides most of the Christians fighting against, not for, Hitler, there's also
those who assisted Jews during the Holocaust--see a list at the next link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_and_groups_assisting_Jews_during_the_Holocaust
Notice the religious figures on that list, including Pope Pius XII who "helped
save the lives of over 860,000 Jews," André and Magda Trocmé--"a French pastor
and his wife who led the Le Chambon-sur-Lignon village movement that saved
3,000-5,000 Jews," and that there aren't any neutral JWs, mismanaged by Ruther-
ford, on that list.
