Ordained Ministers of J.W. part 1

by bobld 28 Replies latest jw friends

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  bobld

  Baptisms are usually performed at assemblies.At the conclusion of the baptism talk,the baptism candidates are asked two Q.Affirmative answers qualifies the candidates as ORDAINED MINISTERS of J.W..We all have seen some candidates as young as 13 years,some as young as 12 years and even some as young as 9 years old.Now in the eyes of the WBTS these are qualified ordained ministers.

  To my way of thinking these Ordained Ministers should be qualified to give sound advise or council.Example,a 17 year old teenage boy has a problem with masturbation and is seeking advise.Do you think he would receive sound advise on his masturbation problem from a 9 year old ordained minister of J.W.(girl).In other religions this ordained minister would be qualified but I don't think a J.W. is.

  Bob
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  reniaa

  and if a baby is christened at a few months old what decision have they made? yes young baptisms do happen but they are exceptions rather than the norm. Most born in JW's around me got baptised between 16 and 25. To be honest I would rather my children thinking of baptism at 14 than picking out baby clothes because they are one of the thousand teen pregnancies we have now. Children thrown into early adulthood because of a worlds obsession with sexuality.

  Reniaa
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  Lillith26

  Reniaa- I think I read that in an older issue of 'our kingdumb misery', i think it said "instead of getting down and dirty, get dunked be ever after sexually frustrated!". Personally I'd prefer my teenage children to be "allowed" to masterbate than get married at an early age just so they can finally get rid of their sexual frustration! I'd also like for my children to get a real education, the kind that teaches them to "think for themselves", not the kind that 'brain washes' them and turns them into 'borg'! At 14, I would prefer my children to be able to speak honestly to my about what is happening in there lives without them be afraid of me "SHUNNING" them because they masterbate!
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  Lillith26

  Bob- I see your point, and I also dont think a 17year is "qualified" to minister any advice or 'spiritual council' to a person dying of old age.

  To be honest I would rather my children thinking of baptism video games at 14 than picking out baby clothes handing out WatchTowers because they are one of the thousands of teen pregnancies 'borg like' JWs we have now (in an area near you). Children thrown into early adulthood because of a worlds the GB of the WTB's obsession with sexuality or serious lack of.

  Gotta Love the cut'n'paste options on this forum lol
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  Gordy

  Reinna

  and if a baby is christened at a few months old what decision have they made?

  They are not being made an "ordained minister" are they. Plus they will have the freedom to decide later if they want to continue in that religion, and not fear being shunned if they leave.

  young baptisms do happen but they are exceptions rather than the norm.

  It is quite common, in my years as a JW I saw children as young as 8 being baptised. At one assembly, about 3-4 years ago, it was only children being baptised, the average age was 12 the oldest was 16.

  rather my children thinking of baptism at 14....Children thrown into early adulthood because of a worlds obsession with sexuality

  "Thinking" yes .... the WT calls getting baptised to be "the biggest decision you will make in your life" yet they expect immature children to make that decision. Even at 16 it is a big decision to make, yet if that 16 yr old wanted to get married they would be told to wait till they were older and more mature to make that decision.

  Also as to children thrown into adulthood , when baptised they will be expected to behave as adults and following all the rules and regulations laid down by the Watchtower.
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  reniaa

  hi gordy and lileth.

  you should research your christening the commitment is as great as baptism, if a child isn't christenned it won't goto heaven according to christian teachings of other churches.

  If we are going by personal experences mine are there is usually one teenager getting baptised, one very elderly lady that needs help down the steps and a quite a few middle-aged studies.

  experiences are not fact so anyone got any real stats to back up their generalisations?

  Reniaa
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  brinjen

  you should research your christening the commitment is as great as baptism, if a child isn't christenned it won't goto heaven according to christian teachings of other churches

  That still doesn't make them an ordained minister or mean that they are going to be shunned by their family if they change their mind when they get older does it?
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  rebel8

  bobld-Do you have any info on when the ordination at baptism began? I don't believe that was the practice when I was in. Only pioneers and men with titles were ordained.

  reniaa-The relative practice of other religions has no bearing on how right or wrong the practice of dubs is, so why mention it? If you caught your significant other in bed with your sister, would you be totally fine with it if he pointed out your next-door neighbor had sex with 2 of his sister-in-laws?

  The practices of dubs, if of the only one true religion, should stand alone as obviously correct on their own merits.
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  Lillith26

  Reniaa- maybe you should do your research a little better darling! The Church of England/Anglican (Cathlics little sister church- so henry didn't have to kill anymore wives, just divorce them!), has a two step ritual for baptism... the first is the 'christening' where the parents of the child commit to the raiseing of the child within the churchs community and by it's rules ( God parents are chosen to take on the responsibility in the event of the childs parents absence), the second is done at the age of 10-14 and it is called a 'Confirmation' this where the child raised as Anglican commits themselves to be a christian as an adult.

  No two strains of the bible virus I fondly refer to as Christianity are the same- I have said it before- that book can be interpreted to say anything you want it to! I have done my research! I have done the rites of passage handed down to me by our dumbass 'forefathers' and I do believe you have missed the point of this thread entirely! Bob was pointing out the fact that it is a DAMN CRIME TO SEND CHILDREN OUT TO DO THE WORK OF EDUCATED ADULTS!!! The WTB only states number of people baptised- not the average age- this would look bad to the general public and put off any would be new borg lining up for their assimilation!
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  purplesofa

  I would just like to stick up for all the 14 year olds that are not picking out baby clothes or being thrown into a cult, but are becoming responsible young adults, learning and growing without the pressure of trying to convert anyone into a religion they are not mature enough to fully know about.