Me Apostate: Still Shunning And Getting Stronger

by CrimsonBleu 23 Replies latest jw friends

  • CrimsonBleu
    CrimsonBleu

    I know that title doesn't make much sense, so I'll explain: I am shunning my two JW sisters. ( I am DF's as of 83'.Over the last 20 years or so, we have had a fairly decent relationship, aside from both of them having emotional and depression issues. Both have tried in vain to get me back in and I am very firm on my stance. I'll never go back, and I have been getting more and more resentful of them both (they can't stand each A few days ago, I sent an email to them to see if I could bring them, and our non -witness brother into a get to-gether for our 82 year old Mom, who has not seen all 4 of her children under one roof in many many years. As of the last several months, I have been shunning my sisters the way the are supposed to shun me, but Mom was the subject at hand, so since family matters are allowed to be dealt with, there should have been no problem.....right?

    "No can do," was one sisters answer" not until you make ammends to Jehovah."

    Well, that that did it. As I said, I normally (as of the last several mnths) shun my sisters, and won't verbally spar with either of them till they piss me off. I figured I didn't have anything to lose at this point, and Mom will not have all her children under one roof before she dies just because I don't like JW teachings. I sent her an email back, and I'd like to know if I did the right thing by blasting her. I kinda felt bad when I woke up this morning, and after I re-read it I felt better becasue I feel I spoke my Truth. Was I out of line? If you think I was, tell me how I could have handled it better.....

    Email below:

    Her original answer to the invitation for a crabfest at Moms for all of us:

    No can do sis, until you make your amends with Jehovah. Then you will be welcomed back with open arms. "All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness..." What we teach comes not from men, it comes from God himself and we know where in the bible the scriptural reasons for what we do are found. . Jesus said he taught "not my will, but the will of my father.." We don't pick and chose which ones we like and ignore the rest. We are like the ancient Boreans who "searched the scriptures daily as to whether these things were true. " Well trained to know what the bible says about fornication and murder and slander. Jesus said he came to cause divisions between a young man and his wife, a mother and her daughter-in-law...." because Jehovah is looking for those who serve him in truth,separating the sheep from the goats. He said (in the last days) you will "certainly see a distinction between a righteous one and one who has not served God. By their fruits you will know them. It takes a long time to grow a fruit. It goes through various stages of development until it is finished. Likewise we are being trained by God for the kind of life he will require in the new Order. He has not changed. My immediate response: I told you, and I'll tell you again, I do not need to belong to a man made organization to know God. Jehovah needs no organization (corporation of business) to make Himself Known. WTS is a corporation, a business entity! Stop fooling yourself. You want to put me down and call me bad? I am the one who holds the threads of this family together. I am the one who is free of the burdens of this world. I am not without the protection and security of the Holy Spirit , the One Jesus speaks of. I can "see" clearly and I have bad physical eyes. WTS will disfellowship you for even talking to me. It will tell you to never ever look beyond the boundaries of it's teachings, that only they, as directed by God, have the Truth. That is a lie. A LIE. You cannot see it for you are scared, and think you are doing right by not looking beyond the walls of the WTS. If you did, you will find Jehovah there too. He is here for all who call on Him. All. Jesus came with new information that would upset and rattle the cages of the current teachings that were available. His new information was radical and forthright. He meant his teaching would cause division, and they do because some people just cannot get past their current perspective. I never saw a thing Jesus ever said about having to belong to an organization, that he was going to set it up and it would be run just like a business. You think you know so much about your WTS...you know so little for if you did know, and finally, as so many painfully do, come to the coclusion that so many years of your life were wasted...WASTED, in service to an ORGANIZATION!!!!!, and not Jehovah as you were told, you'd be deeply hurt. Believe me, there are an enormous number of ex- jw's who have heartbreaking stories of pain and disappointment. They are wonderful, kind, honest and loving people who were fooled and are now free. My highest dream for all JW's is to watch in amazement when the WTS crumbles and falls and sets it's members FREE so they can pursue the love of God as their divine right with no mediator in between. NO ONE should be between you and God. No one, except Jesus, who states that He alone is the way to the Father. I am not going to argue religion with you sis. Time will reveal it's Truth to you and what will you do when you see me after it's all done and over? You think I am going to be eaten by buzzards? Maybe my body will, but I assure you, we will meet again and you will know the Truth. Unless of course you want to know it NOW. I have seen born- in's leave the WTS, I have seen devoted elders leave, I have seen entire families devasted by WTS teachings. I have seen GOVERNING BODY MEMBERS, your FDS, LEAVE, with pain and heartbreak that they were decieved into believing God was only within WTS confines. It is a LIE. He is accessible from your heart and your mind, and through Jesus you cannot NOT have God as your divine Director. Wake up Sis. You have no problem with telling me how messed up I am, well, I am no longer going to take it. Wake up. I can show you COUNTLESS stories of those who come to realize the true identity of God is not in a corporation. They spent their lives doing, running, reading WTS material, not allowed to seek other sources, and God forbid they ask questions.....don't EVER question the material you read and challenge the answer. Don't ever challenge an elder. You'd be gone. They don't like that. Their job is to mark you and then you are watched. You can ask questions, you will get answers, but if that answer doesn't fit, and you challenge it...... Don't tell me I am wrong. I see it nearly every day. I know better. I am allowed to look. I can read, research and talk to whomever I want at any time I want. I am free. You are not. You think you are. The perfect slave is the one who thinks he is not a slave. You are just that. Get out and do your field service,you know you hate it. You know you do! You secretly hate knocking on strangers doors, in all sorts of weather. Get more members make those statical numbers go up cos when they are up, sales are up! You love reading your Bible though, but have you really ever read it without having the magazines or books point things out? Oh, what a joy thast is! You will see things you never knew were in there. You and Crystal are both taught to hate me. Oh, what a loving faith in God you have! How kind of a loving god to tell it's worshippers to hate peole who don't agree with you (or it). Tell an elder you do not agree with a teaching. Go ahead. You can't because you want to believe it all. It must be alright. It's from Jehovah! I'll tell you now, you have a muddled understanding of God. It keeps you bound. It limits your mind and it's ability to think. WTS has done this to you and for that reason I have enormous disdain for it. WTS has cut your connection to God...the one thing in your life you love---it has cut it in fragments and you are getting a very watered down version of this wonderful thing Jesus told us about--this connection with the Father Source, and the Helper, the Holy Spirit. Stop ragging on me about the KH and WTS. NEVER EVER will I go back. NEVER. I know better. You and Crystal are both so miserable and your only source of joy is the hope that you have. How would you like to have that hope a thousand times stronger and a thousand times brighter? How would you like to be free to love and live as you wish? That does not mean doing wrong things like hurting or stealing from people, or things like that! It means that you and God----just you and Jehovah--are One. I already know what you are going to say. You already have all that. I tell you no, you do not. But if you are happy, then so I let that be. In the meantime, do NOT chastise me for my life and my being. As for Mom, those stupid teaching of the WTS even keep you from coming to a crabfest and seeing her. I'd have paid your gas, and provided everything. Do you really think that is what God would want---you to refrain from seeing your Mom just becasue I don't agree with the WTS? Oh, and save the stuff about it all being based on Bible teachings, I never saw a more twisted, out of context bunch of teachings. You are gonna have some splainin to do when you do get the chance.... So, did you do your research on the United Nations Aliance that WTS requested and got and held for 10 years? The UN, the Beast, the thing that Rev talks about being so evil? WTS rode her back for 10 years sis, all on the premise that they wanted the library card to do research with. I will speak the truth as I see fit and you can accuse me of blaspheming all you want. I'm pretty tough. Especially when it comes to rooting out the dark underside of WTS. That place, my dear sis is a whitewashed grave. You want me in....I want you OUT. I would never ever wish harm to you, or Crystal. She si not ready to hear any of this. But should she dare take the initiative like you to challenge me, and try to debase me, I will tell her the same as I tell you. You cannot change my mind. Tell me what the signs of a false prophet are?

  • CrimsonBleu
    CrimsonBleu

    BTW, she never did answer me about the false prohets.

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    She needed to hear that. DO not feel guilty. You did well. I probably would have said similar. The arrogance of JWs in their speech, i.e. 'this isn't my rules, it is directly from God', etc is amazing.

    Thumbs up from me, for what its worth.

  • CrimsonBleu
    CrimsonBleu

    Thanks IA, that means alot coming from you!

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Thanks :)

    You were possibly a bit kinder than I may have been in your email to her.

  • undercover
    undercover

    You tried...

    You were the one willing to put differences aside so that your mom could enjoy the company of all her children under one roof, something she would have cherished to her dying day. Yet, your brainwashed sister refused to put those differences aside. She showed her loyalty to the cult and her unwillingness to compromise.

    You can only do so much before you have to move on. You made your position clear in your response. Time to move on. It's hard and you'll probably dwell on it for a bit, but after you calm down, you'll be glad that you drew the line and refused to cross it. Live your life...you can't live theirs.

    Good luck...

  • CrimsonBleu
    CrimsonBleu

    The irony of this is that both my sisters have told me more than once or twice over the years that I am the one who has the most common sense out of all three of us. That I am he one who holds things together. (My brother is a loner and is not a JW, so he is not involved as far as the issues with JW's.) They both have expressed their admiration and thankfulness that the things I accomplished were done so well. Only recently, in the last 3 months or so, they have been very difficult to deal with.

    Mom, who is the coolest, sweetest mom anyone could hope for, just had major surgery. The sister in the email correspondence did not call her, go to see her or say boo to her while she underwent the surgery and recovery process and so I thought getting everyone together for Mom would do Mom good. Mom is doing well now.

    I see such unloving, unGodlike works from them (sisters) and I don't know how they live with themselves.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    :No can do sis, until you make your amends with Jehovah. Then you will be welcomed back with open arms.

    "We are going to punish our innocent Mother and trash her dreams of seeing all of her children before she dies because of what YOU did. That is Jehovah's loving arrangement. So there!"

    Makes perfect Christian sense to me!

    Farkel

  • CrimsonBleu
    CrimsonBleu

    Thought:

    How about if I put the union of 3 together, the two sister and brother, if he'll come, and I back away. I'd still pay for everything, even the one sisters gas from her town of residence to here...? I am still thinking of Mom, and if the sisses won't come cos of me, then I can disappear and come around after it's all said and done. Of course, Mom won't have all 4 at the same time, but it will be a far cry better than nothing. What you think?

  • bluecanary
    bluecanary

    Assuming that she followed Jesus words to treat others the way she wanted to be treated, you did the right thing by giving her treatment right back. Don't dish it out if you can't take it. No one can expect to tell someone else how awful their life choices are and not hear the same in return. If she hadn't said what she did, I believe your email would be unwarranted. She threw the first punch.

    Not that it will probably help. This feeds into their persecution complex. But if you're damned whether you roll over or stand up for yourself, I say give yourself the satisfaction of making a stand for your beliefs.

    Some will say that you shouldn't fight fire with fire. That when someone is rude to you, you should just take it. That is certainly an option, and if you felt it was important to do that, I would applaud it as well. The way you handled it was another reasonable option. If it can wake her up to how she's treating her mother, it will have been worth it.

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