by Outaservice 205 Replies latest jw friends
Daniel 11:32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.
Totally unrelated text AE. This has nothing at all to do with 1 Cor 5.
Again, please provide scriptural backing to an enforced shunning.
another request AE's give me the name and phone number of the P/Oand S/O of your congregation ,I believe you reside in the Crawley area? let me call them and tell them you have been posting on this forum, if you dont I presume you have been lying, because no elder in the UK would allow active Dubs to post on this forum and remain in good standing, and tell them my details and that I am D/Aed from the Wimbledon Cong and that I am one of the many posters on here from the UK, I am known your area and it's local congs, I had some very good friends from the Horley cong.
daniel 11 v32 " and those who are acting wickedly against the covenant he will lead into apostacy by means of smooth words,but as regards the people who are knowing their God they will prevail" I was showing how apostacy and wickedness are linked according to scriptures.
Issaac i wasnt having ago at you with my replys above...just had sooooo many to answer...but didnt mean for it to come across wrong..or even to shamus. Regarding the shunning why would someone NOT shun a wicked person or a df person?? Its for our benefit.....when i spoke to jookbeard baring in mind is not seen him since i was 4,he was constantly attacking...i didnt mind and i took it on the chin but what im saying is why would anyone want to associate with someone who never spoke about other things,work,day to day things,hobbies etc and all they did was attack Jah or his org? Surely thats good enough reason to shun....safety.
Have to keep scrolling up to answer...urm...me apostate?? oh ok...lol....i dont mind if you want to think that....as you know all i care about is what Jehovah knows...he sees my heart :) Right think thats all answered...phew.....
AE said:
daniel 11 v32 " and those who are acting wickedly against the covenant he will lead into apostacy by means of smooth words,but as regards the people who are knowing their God they will prevail" I was showing how apostacy and wickedness are linked according to scriptures.
My reply: Dan is speaking of those who corrupt the Holy covenant by accepting the mark of the beast. Apostasy may or may not be wicked. Apostasy against the gpoverning body is delightful, since they are Satan's organization, not Gods.
AE said:
Regarding the shunning why would someone NOT shun a wicked person or a df person??
My reply: Sounds like human reasoning. Again, show me Scripturally- not according to the self-serving interests of the gov body.
You said: Its for our benefit.....when i spoke to jookbeard baring in mind is not seen him since i was 4,he was constantly attacking...i didnt mind and i took it on the chin but what im saying is why would anyone want to associate with someone who never spoke about other things,work,day to day things,hobbies etc and all they did was attack Jah or his org?
My reply: The Governing body is NOT Jah's org. In light of ZDeut 18 which says not to listen to or fear a false prophet, on what basis could anyone beleive the gov body was appointed by God to handle his earthly affairs???? Speaking out against the gov body is NOT speaking out against God.
You said: Surely thats good enough reason to shun....safety.
My reply: You still have not provided one scripture.
Ae's there is very good reason for my and others attack on the WTS, and you haven't answered my question about your elders which I requested, you dont want me to make another list do you? The WTS is very quick to attack other religious organizations through the WT yet is reluctant to accept criticism by us and others, isn't that strange
1Cor5:
Refers to an immoral man, someone who was with his Fathers wife, someone who was unrepentant and who was breaking at least 2 commandments - Adultry and Honour thy Father, he was also, obviously, sexually immoral, as was the woman, though there is no mention of what to do to her.
Notice though that Paul says to hand him over to Satan so that his sinful nature will be destroyed but his spirit will be saved.
In Verse 11 Paul points out the type of pserson one must NOT associate with, even eat:
Somone who calls himsel;f a brother but is Sexually immoral, greedy, idolter, slander, drunkard and swindler.
Notice that nowhere does Paul say " Disagrees with the organization".
AE said:
Have to keep scrolling up to answer...urm...me apostate?? oh ok...lol....i dont mind if you want to think that....as you know all i care about is what Jehovah knows...he sees my heart :) Right think thats all answered...phew.....
My reply:
All many apostates care about is what Jehovah thinks! That is why they left the satanic couterfeit-Christian cult known as Jehovah's Witnesses.
Regarding the shunning why would someone NOT shun a wicked person or a df person?? Its for our benefit.....
Kind of like when JEsus had his feet washed by the whore - he said get the hell away from me, you evil bitch. Go to the tabernacle for a year, talk to nobody, and we'll talk then. He really set the example, and I'm glad you are following his words so closely.
You are very perceptive.
Or how Jesus shunned Tax collectors and didn't even eat with them.
Oh wait...
*snap*
The GB also have our welfare at heart.
Oh really, my dear?
That would explain why my MIL of 35 years, whom I have always treated with respect, whom I have done many things for over the years [not the least of which is taking damned good care of her daughter], has now elected to treat me like a piece of shit on her shoe for my 'sin' of leaving her religion? She did that because the GB has her best interests at heart? Bullshit!
She did that precisely because the GB, who has never met me as a body, has convinced her that anyone who dares leave their little insignificant publishing business is evil. She believed them because they took away her freedom to think, calling it 'independent thinking'.
There's some good welfare at heart, eh? She did not make that choice on her own - she is incapable of making free choice now after years of that horrible mind-control over her - dividing families due to fear mongering does not top my list of having peoples welfare at heart. Of course that's just me - I think Jesus might have had it right though - he suggested we don't judge or teach judgmentalism as doctrinal. Hmmmmm, there's a thought I was forbidden to think not long ago, and you are still forbidden to think!
Jeff
