Jehovah Witnesses are NOT a bad Cult but man made type spiritual guide

by Butterflyleia85 63 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • TD
    TD

    Hi, Butterfly,

    I would question the comparisons you have drawn between biblical characters and the JW organization on the following basis:

    Moses, Aaron, the Israelite kings both good and the bad, as well as the individual Israelites themselves were God's chosen people because of promises made to their father and ancestor, Abraham. God would correct things when their conduct became excessively bad, but until those promises made to Abraham were fulfilled, they continued to be His people regardless of how bad they acted.

    Jehovah's Witnesses claim to be "God's people" today not because of a hereditary promise of any kind but because of their conduct. In the context of what they teach and what they do, this conduct is alleged to have been so remarkable that Christ chose the JW organization in 1919 as the one true "Faithful and wise steward" and appointed them over all his belongings. Therefore conduct is everything

    When you draw a comparison between King David, Manaasah, etc. you are presupposing that the same basis for overlooking the excessively bad conduct of past organizations still exists today when in fact it does not. Jesus clearly indicated at Matthew 24 and Luke 12 that the slave would be rewarded or punished based upon conduct and conduct alone.

    The JW organization has willingly and voluntarily applied that parable to themselves. Therefore neither you nor they have much basis for appealing to past hereditary systems in defense of today's bad conduct.

    I'm not trying to be mean It's just that the JW's themselves have pulled the rug out from under the whole idea

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    "The Jehovah's Witnesses have changed allot sense 1970's."

    The 70`s was a load of WBT$

    It`s gotten worse:

    No windows in Kingdom Hall`s..

    No food at assemblys..

    Canned Kingdom music noise..

    Association with the United nations..

    Reducing publications..

    Reducing meeting time..

    Reducing field sevice time..

    Frowning on non WBT$ events..

    Scrapping the Generation of 1914..

    Scrapping book studies at private homes..

    Printing WBT$ liturature on toilet paper..

    Tossing out Bethelites..

    Ect..ect..ect..

    ....................

  • angel eyes
    angel eyes

    your right butterfly king David although forgiven also lost his first born, and yes any who are corrupt in Jehovahs org will without a doubt be punished/destoyed.....

    The jw arent all bad, some claim to be witnesses but actually end up pushing desent people away, sadly but we arent all that way.

    dont forget butterfly, qb with your grandfather, keep hold of that and dont let any injustice or wrong doing by those who claim to love Jah take that away from you. :)

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff
    your right butterfly king David although forgiven also lost his first born, and yes any who are corrupt in Jehovahs org will without a doubt be punished/destoyed.....

    I just love how the ultimate solution by JW's is that whoever is "bad" will be destroyed by their loving god Jehovah.

    The jw arent all bad, some claim to be witnesses but actually end up pushing desent people away, sadly but we arent all that way.

    I actually do agree with this. Regretably, they all think that all non JW's will be destroyed. Butterfly, I am pretty sure that since you have been around JW's, that you know all of this. It's just a matter of your own decisions to make, and how you wish to see it.

    Just make sure that yoiu can be honest with the person you look at in the mirror at the end of the day. Ultimately, none of us on this board matter to that......

  • angel eyes
    angel eyes

    ATJ, when armegeddon comes you will truly be shocked.......but hey after it i'll buy you a beer and we can have a good ole chat :))

    I think you'll need a beer after armegeddon, maybe a few lol

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    AE, when you are on your death bed, pining away for Armageddon and the destruction of the ungodly (as JW's teach it, not how you believe it AE), I will be having my own beers. Thanks though!

    We might both be too old then, because Armageddon isn't coming. We are almost at 100 years since 1914. Some I know don't want to face this, but Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong.

    It doesn't matter WHY they were wrong. They just got it wrong. And that, my friend, means they aren't worth anyone's attention.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    King David was a self indulgent jerk..

    He stole another soldiers wife.

    Could`nt be bothered to lead his own army..

    Because..

    He wanted to be With BethSheba..

    So his own men were slaughtered in battle..

    When he finds out Bethsheba is pregnant by him..

    He has her husband sent to the front line to be killed..

    King David was responsible for the deaths of so many ..

    Including his own men..

    ............................

  • Heaven
    Heaven

    Any person or organization that subjugates other people/a portion of its membership is not good.

  • independent_tre
    independent_tre

    Baba Yaga said:

    Beautiful ButterflyLeia,

    It took me many, many years of being out before I could admit to myself that I was raised in a cult. I was an apologist for a very long time. Mine was a "pre-Google" exit, though, so I suspect your realizations will come much sooner.

    Keep reading. Keep thinking. Keep praying. Keep posting.

    Love,
    Baba.

    All I want to say is Baba... I LOVE your posts! Always "seasoned with salt" and with the kindest heart.

    Carry on....

  • Butterflyleia85
    Butterflyleia85

    TD I feel like your on to something but are you saying JW can't compare the past with today? I'm sorta confused... (JW believe in applying all the scriptures in todays problems)...

    When you draw a comparison between King David, Manaasah, etc. you are presupposing that the same basis for overlooking the excessively bad conduct of past organizations still exists today when in fact it does not. Jesus clearly indicated at Matthew 24 and Luke 12 that the slave would be rewarded or punished based upon conduct and conduct alone.

    The JW organization has willingly and voluntarily applied that parable to themselves. Therefore neither you nor they have much basis for appealing to past hereditary systems in defense of today's bad conduct.

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