I was able to get my wife to agree with one case where the WBTS is wrong. Shot down later by the RBC.

by easyreader1970 26 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • easyreader1970
    easyreader1970

    My wife knows I am skeptical about everything, even stuff coming from the mouths and pens of the WBTS. Recently, I flat told her that I did not believe that animals were all "created" vegetarians, no matter what the Wacthtower said. There was an article (I don't remember if it was Watchtower or Awake!) that said that they were all vegetarians and that they "adapted" to eating meat after the flood. I think it may have been a question from readers section because I remember their trying to explain an animal's adapting its features to eating meat just as a human could adapt its hands from one thing to another.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hands have many uses, but please tell me how snake or spider venom or even their fangs have anything to do with vegetables. Explain what type of vegetation a great white shark would have eaten. There is a list from here to the moon of animals that cannot do anything but eat other animals. She was forced to agree (I didn't take it a step further into evolution because this was the furthest I have ever gotten my wife to move without her calling me an apostate).

    Movement! It was minimal, sure, but maybe there is hope?

    Two days later we are at the service meeting. Our area was recently flooded pretty badly due to heavy rains. The Regional Building Committee showed up and has been quickly cleaning out mold and throwing Witness houses back together. Proof! Proof that this is Jehovah's organization because no other religious group has this degree of cooperation, synchronization, and organization. She was almost teary-eyed when the brothers and sisters in the congregation explained how the RBC saved them from thousands and thousands of dollars of repairs.

    Failure. Damn. It took me years to get her to even mostly agree that the WBTS might be wrong on something. And then this. Her faith level is now back to 127%.

  • JWoods
    JWoods

    The mosquito (and associated malaria parasite) would be a pretty good example.

    They had to either be created or else they evolved later.

    The slime-eel (hagfish) would present another. There are thousands of obvious examples.

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free
    Proof that this is Jehovah's organization because no other religious group has this degree of cooperation, synchronization, and organization.

    I wonder if the recipients of this assistance will have to sign over their homeowners insurance cheques when they arrive.

    W

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I don't know if it will help, but she could hear how the WTS will ask that anyone who was helped out by RBC will be asked to contribute their insurance claim to WTS.

    Also, telling her how Jesus fed the poor that came to hear him speak is very much like the efforts of other religions to feed the poor and shelter them. While WTS organizes their RBC to build KH's and occasionally help in disasters, they have nothing to compare with the humanitarian aid of other groups.

  • blondie
    blondie

    So she believes now that the shark eats hay? Even whales eat krill which are living creatures not vegetation. I worked on quick buildings and saw swearing, lying, theft. Did the RBC guy mention that the WTS expected the jws to fork over the money they got from the insurance company? What about Habitat for Humanity? Why not visit one of their builds and see how they work together?

  • dissed
    dissed

    The Mormons are well known for rising to the occassion in an organized way.

    Living in Utah before, they rallied hundreds within an hour of a catastrophie.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Many religions help the needy, disadvantaged on a daily basis. Established religions have retirement homes for their church workers. The wt sends it's aged wokers to fend for themselves.

    S

  • thomas15
    thomas15

    easyreader1970 said: Two days later we are at the service meeting. Our area was recently flooded pretty badly due to heavy rains. The Regional Building Committee showed up and has been quickly cleaning out mold and throwing Witness houses back together. Proof! Proof that this is Jehovah's organization because no other religious group has this degree of cooperation, synchronization, and organization. She was almost teary-eyed when the brothers and sisters in the congregation explained how the RBC saved them from thousands and thousands of dollars of repairs.

    easyreader, I personally fall into the Evangelical Christian camp and take my faith very seriously. I'm also a volunteer firefighter and in the process of getting my EMT credentials for volunteer medical calls. Any time there is a need for fire services (structure fire, vehicle accidents, search and rescue and medical/hazmat incidents) in my town or any of our mutual aid communities, we respond with a full crew of professionally trained personel. All with voulnteer labor and available 24 hours, day or night, rain or shine. We train on average 20 hours/month, do fundraisers and educate the public on fire safety. Most of the firefighters in my company are not Christians, far from it.

    At my church, if someone needs help in getting their life back together, the church will help in amazing ways. This is not something unique to the Watchtower. But if you discover that your den is in flames at 2:00 in the morning and you pick up the phone and dial 911, within minutes complete and total strangers who have to go to work in a few hours will show up at your now glowing door and proceed to put out your fire in a most organized way. They will do the same professional job for free regardless of what your friends, neighbors or church friends will do for you later in the day. They will not care to know what your religious beliefs are. And if one of them gets hurt and misses 3 months of work, they will not take it out on you or your insurance company.

    I can not tell you how many times I have got out of bed to pump out someones flooded basement. I can assure your spouse that we are very organized when it comes to removing water from a residence. I know many firefighters in my county as I'm secretary of the county firefighters association. None of them are to my knowledge JWs. Yet they (the volunteer firefighters) are very organized and ready willing and able to help their neighbors when ever the need is there. Hopefully easyreader, you can use some of this story to help get your conversation back on track.

    take care,

    Tom

  • TD
    TD

    What you just experienced is called the "Lightning rod effect."

    Momentary doubts are quickly dissipated and forgotten by social immersion within the group in a manner roughly analogous to the way a lightning rod shunts a lightning strike safely to ground.

    It's a common human social phenomenon and not just a feature of cults.

  • easyreader1970
    easyreader1970

    Thanks Tom.

    I'll have to regroup and try again later when she's not high on the JWs. Right now I would describe her as euphoric. She woke up this morning talking about it all. She even questioned whether or not our son should leave the school Beta Club because it's promoting worldly advancement and not the "Truth".

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