PBS Frontline: "Obama's War"

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  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    Coming to PBS on October 13th at 9 PM. A 24-minute preview is available at the link below.

    Obama's War

    Tens of thousands of fresh American troops are now on the move in Afghanistan, led by a new commander and armed with a counterinsurgency plan that builds on the lessons of Iraq. But can U.S. forces succeed in a land long known as the "graveyard of empires"? And can the U.S. stop the Taliban in neighboring Pakistan, where U.S. troops are not allowed and the government is weak?

    In FRONTLINE's season premiere, Obama's War, airing Tuesday, Oct. 13, 2009, at 9 P.M. ET on PBS (check local listings), veteran correspondent Martin Smith (Beyond Baghdad, Return of the Taliban) travels across Afghanistan and Pakistan to see firsthand how the president's new strategy is taking shape, delivering vivid, on-the-ground reporting from this war's many fronts. Through interviews with top generals, diplomats and government officials, Smith also reports the internal debates over President Obama's grand attempt to combat terrorism at its roots.

    "What we found on the ground was a huge exercise in nation building," says Smith. "The concept's become a bit of a dirty word, but that's what this is. We started with the goal of eliminating Al Qaeda, and now we've wound up with the immense task of re-engineering two nations."

    The brunt of the work is falling on rank-and-file soldiers, and nowhere is it more difficult than in the dusty, unforgiving landscape of Helmand province, the Taliban stronghold in southern Afghanistan, where FRONTLINE embedded with Echo Company, 2nd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment. Since the Marines' arrival in July, Helmand has become the most lethal battlefield in Afghanistan. But FRONTLINE found the Marines trying to act as armed diplomats, attempting to build the necessary trust for badly needed economic development.

    "It's trying to change the culture of the organization," Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top commander in Afghanistan, tells FRONTLINE of the administration's plan. "At the end of the day, our best counterinsurgents are going to be young sergeants who just have an ability to deal with people. We've got to give them the flexibility to make decisions."

    Even as American soldiers struggle to make progress in Afghanistan village by village, equally vexing challenges remain across the border in Pakistan. "In Afghanistan we know what to do; we just don't know if we have the resources or the time available to do it," David Kilcullen, a leading counterinsurgency expert, tells FRONTLINE. "The problem in Pakistan is we're not really sure what to do."

    When FRONTLINE confronts the Pakistani army about its reluctance to take out key Taliban leaders, the military's chief spokesman, Gen. Athar Abbas, argues that the accusations are misplaced. There is no truth, he claims, that insurgents stage attacks on American forces from the Pakistani side of the border. "They operate from Afghanistan. If somebody claims that everything is happening from this side of the border, I am sorry, this is misplaced, and we refute it."

    Barred from sending troops across the border, the United States is left with few good options. No quick fix will solve Pakistan. "If we have a strategy in Pakistan," says George Packer, a staff writer at The New Yorker, "it's to build up the civilian government to the point where it can be a kind of counterbalance to the military and begin to reorient their own sense of their destiny. Is that even thinkable for a foreign power to do? Even as I say it, I think, why do we think we could even begin to accomplish that?"

    Obama's War is a FRONTLINE co-production with RAIN Media, Inc., written and produced by Marcela Gaviria and Martin Smith. The correspondent is Martin Smith. FRONTLINE is produced by WGBH Boston and is broadcast nationwide on PBS. Funding for FRONTLINE is provided through the support of PBS viewers. Major funding for FRONTLINE is provided by The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation. Additional funding is provided by the Park Foundation. FRONTLINE is closed-captioned for deaf and hard-of-hearing viewers and described for people who are blind or visually impaired by the Media Access Group at WGBH. FRONTLINE is a registered trademark of the WGBH Educational Foundation. The executive producer of FRONTLINE is David Fanning.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/obamaswar/

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    bttt -- This program will air tomorrow (Tuesday) night on PBS.

    An article in today's NT Times about the program. . .

    What “Obama’s War” does best is illustrate the immense task that Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top commander of American and allied forces in Afghanistan, has taken on. As Mr. Obama weighs his options, and General McChrystal travels the world lobbying for a revitalized counterinsurgency plan and at least 40,000 more troops, “Obama’s War” gives viewers a glimpse of what trying to defeat the Taliban — again — really entails eight years into the conflict.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/arts/television/13stanley.html

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    I don't know if this is going to work or not, but at least Afghanistan is responsible for allowing an attack on the United States, unlike Iraq. I'm not defending Saddam Hussein, nor excusing hideous abuses in Iraq.

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    The US war in Iraq has apparently siphoned off resources that would have been better spent on Afghanistan and Pakistan. What a boondoggle.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    bizzy,

    :The US war in Iraq has apparently siphoned off resources that would have been better spent on Afghanistan and Pakistan. What a boondoggle.

    Just HOW should we spend more money in Pakistan? Most of it is already being re-routed to bureaucrats there. Or Afghanistan? Most of it is already being confiscated by corrupt bureaucrats there including Karzai's utterly corrupt brother. Or Iraq? Same thing. They need to be bombed to hell. That is the only thing they can be made to understand. After they are all bombed to hell we can all hold hands and sing "kumbaya." That's how we defeated the Japanese and that's how we defeated the Germans BOTH TIMES. Then we have their attention. Obama doesn't have the guts to do it and that is yet another reason why he will fail as our President.

    On the other hand, you say that 12 TRILLION dollars for government-mandated Health Care is a GOOD thing. Which is more important to you, Bizzy, our national security from terrorist havens like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, or your free medicine from the government and care for your dental problems?

    This is a dangerous world we live in and "kumbaya" can only be sung after we recognize what we are facing and kill it. THEN you can get your teeth fixed. But not before.

    You "progressives" want to trivialize world-wide Islamic terrorism as something of an "inconvenience." I see it as a real threat on our way of life, and I see it as a continuing threat that must be stomped out with the only thing that can get their attention: "we will kill you without any mercy every change we get. We will never stop killing you until you stop killing us, and we will NOT negotiate ANY truce with you. EVER!"

    That's how we won WWII, by the way. Any other option would have resulted favorably for the Japanese and Germans and not to us and the real free world.

    Farkel, History Lesson CLASS

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    Yeah, let's hear it from Fuhrer Farkel. Genocide! Never mind the morality of killing people who want no part of the taliban let's blast them all and let our genocidal god separate the righteous from the unrighteous.

    Never mind the impracticality of bombing the entire population because there is only one major population center and most Afganis live in remote mountain villages which mountains can deflect blast waves making it impossible to predict whether they will be destroyed, half destroyed or spared. It took a 12 kiloton atomic bomb to kill densely populated Hiroshima but the atomic bomb that exploded over Nagasaki destroyed only half as much even though it was twice as powerful. Why, you may be asking? Because of geography, hills in particular that deflected the blast wave and sparing a good number of civilians.

    You'll basically need thousands of small atomic bombs to exterminate the population of Afganistan my meek friend Farkel. As far as your comparison to Germany and Japan they were imperialist nations, preying on others. Japan invaded China and set itself up for an embargo which in turn inspired them to do something stupid by bombing Pearl Harbor. Germany was, well you know-Germany. Now if you want to talk about what Afghanistan's government did to us by not turning in Bin Laden just remember Mossadegh and the thousands who died under the tyrannical reign of the Shah with the CIA sucking his cock. Where oh where was the pretense of democracy then?

    Finally, for those of us who know that the world is bigger than the USA and its enemies take a wild guess as to how the rest of the world would respond to such genocide?

    villabolo

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Villaloco,

    :Never mind the morality of killing people who want no part of the taliban let's blast them all and let our genocidal god separate the righteous from the unrighteous.

    How old are you? Thirteen? What do you know about history except what you read in comic books?

    Dresden, Germany, Nagasaki, Japan, Hiroshima, Japan. THAT won WWII, you, you, aaaaaarrrgh!

    Farkel, No Tolerance For Idiots CLASS

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    Farkel, it's getting late in your part of the planet. Go to sleep, sweet dreams. If you can't get to sleep just count sheep bombers. Tomorrow is another day. You'll feel rereshed. You might even be able to give me a relevant answer to the points I made above.

    villabolo

  • Caedes
    Caedes
    They need to be bombed to hell. That is the only thing they can be made to understand. After they are all bombed to hell we can all hold hands and sing "kumbaya." That's how we defeated the Japanese and that's how we defeated the Germans BOTH TIMES. Then we have their attention. Obama doesn't have the guts to do it and that is yet another reason why he will fail as our President.

    Unparalleled genocide, truly a great way to win hearts and minds in countries that are already prime recruiting ground for terrorists. Jackbooted jingoism at it's finest.

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    Relax! Settle back with a good movie and chill. I recommend Dr. Strangelove or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb. You'll laugh your ass off.

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