Almost like become a Jew, eh rob.
Question about how and when to share your views.
by paul from cleveland 23 Replies latest jw friends
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cantleave
Tell her. You would do whatever you could to save a stranger drowning i'm sure, so show the same level of commitment to your sister. You will lose her if she gets baptised and decides that you are a bad associate.
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Robdar
Almost like become a Jew, eh rob.
Nope. Not even close, dear.
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paul from cleveland
50? Wow. Do you know what caused her, at this point in her life, to become infatuated enough to want to be baptized?
Her new husband had been baptized about 20 years ago. He's only been to a handful of meetings in the last 15 of those years but just recently decided he wanted to go back. She's just going along.
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OnTheWayOut
unduly: Undeservedly, not warranted
I don't want to unduly influence her, but perhaps just share a few points to present a little more balanced view of what she's really getting in to.Compare what you have to tell her with what WTS tells her. They are a manipulative dangerous mind-control cult that wants her to sacrifice her entire life to them and they want to implant a fear into her of displeasing God by displeasing the organization. Displeasing the organization includes virtually everything normal people do- have cake at work on someone's b-day, clink glasses in celebration of anything, relax on the weekend, speak to relatives that stopped believing, etc. etc. etc.
So I could hardly consider speaking up to be undeserved or no warranted. It's your sister. Say what you can, if it has any influence.
I have begged (without triggering a family problem) my nephew to wait until he's adult to consider baptism. Alas, if I say more, family will cut me out of the information loop and mark me as "bad influence." If that's the case, then save your breath now. If you can be discreet, say all that you can.
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OnTheWayOut
"Sis, if I knew what I know now, there's no way I would have been baptized.
If I tell you what I know now, and you tell others that I told you, they will shun me for the rest of my life.
If you get baptized, you may be in the same predicament I am in."If she wants to know more, then get her to promise confidentiality. Then say it. Say all of it.
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paul from cleveland
unduly: Undeservedly, not warranted
I meant unduly in this sense:unduly: to an undue degree; "she was unduly pessimistic about her future"
undue: Excessive; going beyond that what is natural or sufficient
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paul from cleveland
"Sis, if I knew what I know now, there's no way I would have been baptized.
If I tell you what I know now, and you tell others that I told you, they will shun me for the rest of my life.
If you get baptized, you may be in the same predicament I am in."That's about perfect.
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John Doe
Nope. Not even close, dear.
Religious nuts crack me up--it's always the other guy who's being silly.
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OnTheWayOut
unduly: to an undue degree; "she was unduly pessimistic about her future"
undue: Excessive; going beyond that what is natural or sufficient
"She was unduly pessimistic about her future" means that there is insufficient evidence that her pessimism is due. There is insufficient evidence that her future will be bad. In the case in which we are talking, there is sufficient evidence that your speaking out is not undue. It is very due.
As I commented, WT will teach her things that can easily be Excessive; going beyond that what is natural or sufficient.
So how can saying something against that be excessive?