New Year's Prediction

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  • You Know
    You Know

    This is an essay by some guy:

    The Horsemen of the Economic Apocalypse

    I find my mind is becoming more elastic these days, as in the silly putty toy of my youth. So much insanity to write about; so much insanity unfolding around me. Is the sky black or are the windows painted as Elton John and Bernie Taupin wrote so many decades ago? Is the world mad or am I just going crazy? Well, I'm not the guy who turned the 60's television spy spoof "Get Smart" into reality on a Paris to Miami flight. I'm not the guy with the exploding shoe, a.k.a., Maxwell Smart and his phone shoe. Of course, we are assured by the liars in charge that even if the shoe had exploded the plane wouldn't have been destroyed. Thank God for that brave stewardess with a good sense of smell for burning matches, but like I'm supposed to experiment with pendrite versus C-4 explosive at 35,000 feet? I think not you morons in charge. The level of stupidity among our leaders is truly awe inspiring.

    Bushocio tells us the year 2002 will be a year of war. Yes, that is true. It will also be the year the elite is revealed for their incompetence and impotence. It may amaze most Americans, although not many, and hopefully none, of my readers, that the US government can't protect you. Never has and never will. You are on your own, economically, politically, spiritually and in terms of life and death. Viewing life this way makes for an entirely different experience than the one the mass media spews out for the mind controlled American populace. Modern Americans can be segmented into two groups: those who trust the system and government and those who realize they are on their own. All other distinctions are superficial in my opinion. The year 2002 will show clearly just how true this system collapse is for the average American citizen.

    The year 2002 will also show the American populace just what real fighting is like. The politics of the Enron scandal will lead to the kind of political hand to hand combat never before seen in our country. Vice President Dick Cheney will be impeached in my opinion. Bushocio will be a crippled and pathetic He will be a President tarred and feathered by energy corruption. Bushocio, winning by 1500 votes in Florida, cannot endure a major political scandal like Enron. The Democrats will use the Enron scandal, the declining economy and the continuing terrorist attacks to castrate President Bush and the Republicans. Enron has the capacity to be another Tea Pot Dome scandal from the 20's. Keep you eye on it and how it plays out in the Senate and House hearings next year.

    Next year will also give us the regional Middle East War the New World Order wishes. Pakistan and India may not make it till next year. While the United States was gloating over its "victory" over Mr. Bin Laden, he was quietly slipping away into another country. I won't mince words, Mr. Bin Laden is a strategic genius in my opinion. The attack on the Indian government buildings was a masterstroke that completely outflanks the United States. Mr. Bin Laden and his terrorists are pros and we are amateurs. The Russians now control Northern Afghanistan and its oil through their 30,000 strong Northern Alliance. The Northern Alliance is the armed wing of the Afghan Communist Party. The United States faces decades of peacekeeping in Afghanistan; also, the prospect of India and Pakistan going to war. Absolutely brilliant on Mr. Bin Laden's part. Bin Laden has won hands down and Bushocio is too stupid to realize it.

    The amount of noise in the whore press about invading Iraq would indicate that such a move will also happen next year. GOLD-EAGLE.com readers should understand that Iraq has already said it will defend itself from attack by taking on Israel. Implied in this threat is biological tipped Scud missiles descending on Haifa and Tel Aviv. Israel has already said it will respond to this attack with one of its own. Implied in this attack is the use of nuclear weapons. I'm just telling you what the reality is right now in the Mid-East. You can make your own judgments.

    After writing about the above subjects, any comments I can make about the economy seem almost trivial. The above will have economic effects also. The above subjects will unleash the horsemen and upon the economy the horsemen will have the most effect. Assuming we aren't visiting the Mid East, or victim of a terrorist attack, most of us will suffer only the economic effects. The horsemen UPI photo used came from Argentina and shows mounted riot police running away from a rampaging mob of looters. Very symbolic in my opinion of what will happen in 2002.

    So, exactly what does my crystal ball tell me the economy will be like in 2002? My readers should know by now that I have a deep contempt for the liars, frauds, amoral opportunists, hacks and flakes that infest the American media, corporate, Wall Street, education and government elite. Honorable people are few and far between in leadership positions in the United States. It's not that the corrupt oligarchy which rules America doesn't know what is going on. They know quite well; and they use the knowledge to enrich themselves. There is no better example of this than the Enron Corporation senior executives. At the same time they were locking their own employees from selling company stock shares, these senior executives were looting Enron for $600 million. Now, if you don't think that will have severe political effects in the next few months leading up to the November 2002 elections, you are painfully naive. This fact is the foundation of all my economic views concerning 2002. 2002 will be the year the elite is hounded by an angry populace newly aware they've been cheated and screwed. Waxman and Daschle are going to gut the Republicans on this one, trust me.

    2002 will also be the year the debt system is stressed as never before. It's amusing to me to read the whore press spin about Argentina's debt default. First, they call it a suspension and say that the $155 billion will eventually be paid. O.K., anybody really believe that a single penny of that money will be repaid to investors? I don't and the market doesn't either. Is Argentina the final straw that shatters the entire global debt structure? Or will they patch it together again for a few months? Depends on who else joins Argentina in falling off the wagon. Turkey is wobbling. Japan is in recession. The United States is in recession. Europe is in recession. Spanish banks are heavily exposed to Argentina's billions. JP Morgan has a 2.6 billion exposure. What do you think will happen to JP Morgan stock if it has to write of 2.6 billion dollars next quarter? They simply spin it to give themselves time to unwind the $155 billion and not stress out the system. Anybody remember that this $155 billion is really recycled Brady Bonds? Brady bonds were issued in the 1980's to recycle the 1970's debt default? Understand this, and the whole banking based debt system reveals itself in all its cunning glory. Never pay off the debt-merely recycle it into new forms and continue paying the interest. Remember this one sentence and the global economic system will make perfect sense!

    My key point is 2002 is the year that the great debt rollover scam fails. The massive debt rock will roll backward and crush the fiat funny money, credit and debt system that created it. The debt can never be repaid and trying to will lead to global anarchy. The New World Order will allow the debt to collapse the system and then offer to save it in bankruptcy. This is the whole plan in a nutshell in my opinion. What we saw in Argentina: pension seizures, money restrictions, street riots, governmental chaos and collapse is going to hit country after country over the next few years. This new money Argentina is issuing won't be backed by gold like it should to truly solve the problem. The common people are destroyed and the elite continue playing their games.

    Concerning the United States economy, it's a pretty open and shut case. The disconnect between the people's perceptions and the actual reality is scary. The elite liars and frauds continue to shill and deceive the populace. The deception will work until the moment the terrorist strikes expose the government and system as incompetent and a farce. Enron has begun the process of exposing the stock market sham. The United States is an economic, political and military system in chaos and collapse. It's so obvious to anyone who really looks at the facts and ignores the mind controlled official media and mainstream press. After all these years of lying about the economy, I'm amazed that any reasonable person believes anything a stock researcher, media reporter or commentator, politician or talking head says. These people are liars, hacks and frauds and have always been looking out for themselves.

    The Christmas shopping season was a disaster for retailers. The elite hasn't figured out the events of 9-11-2001 fundamentally changed peoples attitudes towards the consumer culture and shopping religion of America. The American economy is dependent upon credit card debt and fiscal sleight of hand for growth. Mr. Magoo's entire strategy has been to get Americans to loot their home equity and spend it on conspicuous consumption. That's it; that is the best our greatest minds can come up with. Tap out your home equity by refinancing and spend it on a SUV. Patriotism is redefined as going on a shopping spree at a Wal Mart. None of this walking through the snow barefoot at Trenton, or holding the line at Bastone stuff. Nope, in the new Bushocio America, patriotism is simply going into debt and buying useless crap. Fortunately, more and more Americans are seeing through the illusions and beginning to focus on the realities.

    The spring 2002 economic recovery is a joke just like the two predicted in 2001 were. Deflation is here. There has been a permanent change in attitudes. We are in a long term war with a cunning and ruthless enemy. We now check shoes for explosives and worry about one or two separate nuclear wars in the Mid-East. Individuals must think outside the box as the current cliché‚ goes. Think about the survival tips I gave you for Y2K. Prepare for the worst in 2002. Buy gold and silver and prepare for an alternative economic system to the one collapsing around us. Remember the people of Argentina were reduced to debit cards and $250 a week in cash. If you had gold, you would simply have gone and sold an ounce or two if you needed money. Understand the times we live in and prepare. Understand the stock markets will shatter once they realize there is no recovery or earnings by next spring. What will happen to retail stocks once the dismal Christmas profits are announced. Don't be deceived; don't believe the lies that pass for reality in America. Understand the terrorists are already here. Understand the government can't protect you. I say again: you are on your own. Believe it. Look to your defenses: the horsemen are coming. Are you prepared?

    Doug McIntosh

    28 December 2001

    Also by Doug McIntosh

    > http://www.gold-eagle.com/gold_digest_01/mcintosh122801.html

  • Mommie Dark
    Mommie Dark

    "the well-versed and reasoning mind"

    Since Sideshow Bob knows nothing about this subject, it's perfectly safe to ignore anything he might have to say.

    Just a bit of truth for newbies and lurkers...

  • Francois
    Francois

    Wow! Now you talk about specious logic - You Know has delivered of himself the Sistine Chapel of Spurious Thinking.

    That bit of self-justification is so thin a person could read a newspaper through it; if it was food, you'd spit it out with the first bite.

    I guess this means that "all scripture" really isn't inspired and good for setting things straight and such. What we need is the false prophet to tell us which yardstick we should use to measure which failed prophecy. If this doesn't fit the definition of vain hair-splitting, then I'm the vigin Mary.

    Nice try, though, You Know. There is a certain twisted honor in going down with your ship.

    Francois

  • avengers
    avengers

    How can you say this? The END will come today!

    The bigger the lie, the more that will believe in it.
    Adolph Hitler
  • metatron
    metatron

    OK, Mr. Prophet, let's put you on the spot.

    Right now, silver leasing rates in London are thru the
    roof. Is this the long awaited silver rally?

    Will silver double in 6 months?

    I don't just talk
    I put my money where my mouth is.

    metatron

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    You Know,

    Are you on some kind of a mission? Or should that be "missin'" ?

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness."

    Anonymous

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    What would the WTS be without false prophets?

    What would Jw.com be without its own resident false prophet?

    They're two bitches coming from the same Adventist litter: a litany of apocalyptic prophecies for fun and sometimes profit.

    Side-Show Bob (kudus to Mommie Dark) has learned a very important principal in the prophecy business: people soon forget when your predictions fail, especially if you make plenty of them. If you get just one RIGHT though, you end up getting tons of attention and get to run around saying "I told you so."

    I had to laugh in a sad sort of way when the only "fulfilled" WTS prophecy some poor little dubbie could come up with was Nathan Knorr's "prediction" of the wild beast (UN) coming out of the abyss, a relatively minor and safe prediction, too. Even then, the WT lied about that, since the UN had already been conceived and its conception publicly announced before Knorr uttered that "prediction."

    In horse racing that's called "past posting" (knowing the race results before you place your bet). In religion that's call "past prophesying" (knowing the prophesy results before you place your prophecy). In life that's called "lying" (knowing your religious toadies will believe whatever shit you throw their way).

    A Happy New Year to you, You Know, and even though this'll mess up a lot of your regular-as-clockwork future prophecies: may you have many, many more in this wicked old world, too.

    Farkel

    "I didn't mean what I meant."

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Well, I will give it to Mr. McIntosh, he at least gives firm predictions and sets them in a time frame. I'll copy it to my note pad and post it here next year if my house still has electricity to run my computer on.

    You must always look at people's agendas to understand why they are saying what they are saying. Mr. McIntosh wants you to buy gold. The article is editorial not news. It is Mr. McIntosh's opinion. He uses this opinion to set up a need in you; the need for gold. He used the last paragraph as his pitch. Mr. McIntosh likely holds some gold stocks, gold futures positions or at least some gold positions where he will profit greatly if gold takes off in 2002. It hasn't taken off for 25 years, thus the need for marketing it to you and me.

    That being said, he does do a good job of summing up in one essay all the things that could go wrong within the next year. Any of these things could happen.

    Argentina could go broke. Consumers could panic at the load of debt they have accumulated against their held assets and either a)stop spending or b)start declaring bankruptcies at a faster pace. Our consulting company works in a lot of large lending and debt collection shops and they are frantically trying to ramp up for increased delinquencies. This is happening in the real world, not in Mr. Mcintosh's imagination. He is also correct about the increase in home equity debt. Our clients can't make loans fast enough. The average consumer is shifting away from unsecured debt with ridiculous interest rates to equity secured debt at 1/2 the rate. While that will help them control their interest expense, its a heavy bet on their standard of living to put their homes on the line so that they can afford a new car or a vacation trip neither of which hold their value.

    bin Laden is certainly smarter than Dubya. Of course, a house cat is smarter than Dubya. I hadn't thought about his involvement in the Pakistan/India escalation but this has some credibility. War there, clearly a possibility, nuclear, doubtful. War in the Middle East is pretty much a constant. I think the world may finally get tired enough of it to force Israel to create a Palestinian state.

    The Christmas season a disaster? For some retailers this is absolutely true. However, WalMart and Target and other discount retailers did well. I think WalMart's numbers were up like 9%. Overall sales were expected to be up 2%. Less than most years but stunningly good considering the aftershock of 9/11.

    I have also read a good bit about the Enron mess. I was an Enron stockholder for a while so I have kept up with the news on the bankruptcy. The stock went from 95 dollars to 3 cents. I lost about $2000. I have read about Enron employees that lost millions of dollars and have been left destitute. This is not opinion, it is fact. This happened. Bush and Cheney makes some big bucks off of this whole deal. Unfortunately they aren't the only company playing this shell game. I have read many articles in legitimate media magazines and newsletters about the shenanigans of the CEO's of large companies and their hynchmen. Again, its not exaggeration. They sign contracts for $100's of millions of dollars that they are guaranteed whether the company performs or not. See, the boards of directors of companies vote on the CEO pay and guess what, they all sit on each other's boards. Incestuously, they vote for each other's pay packages. Incredible.

    You Know also has an agenda. He wants to be right. His desire has little to do with yours, mine or anyone else's actual welfare. If it did, he would state his case more seriously and in a different tone. In actuality he loves for us to disagree with him, because it gives him the opportunity to say nyah nyah, I was right, ha ha. Whatever. He is responsible for his own words and actions.

    We all have agendas. I have an agenda. You will have to judge what my agenda is by the way I conduct myself here and the words and tone I use in my posts, both my serious and comedic posts.

    Unlike You Know, I will make some recommendations to you based on the possibilities for 2002.

    1. Pay off your credit card debt. It is evil and must be annihilated.
    Just do it!!!! If you can't pay it off in the short term, consolidate it, shop around and get the best rate you can, then cut up your cards forever. I did this 10 years ago. I use an American Express and pay it off every month. Finance charges are like throwing money away. You work too hard for your money to do this.

    2. Diversify your net worth between your home, other real holdings, stock mutual funds, bond funds and even gold if you want to hedge. Gold basically went nowhere in 2001 even with 9/11 which astonished me. I can't believe it didn't go above $300 after that disaster. While I don't believe that their will be a nuclear exchange between Iraq and Israel or India and Pakistan, the unrest may drive gold up 5% to 10% which at todays interest rates is still a good return. Remember that the rich guys who profit over the way the world is, live everywhere and it is in all their best interest for things not to reach a crisis stage. They are just as ruthless as bin Laden.

    3. Do as much as you can for others. It reduces stress. It increases your faith in yourself and your fellow man. If there is a god, certainly he will be pleased with this. If there is no god, it will make the world a better place under our own power.

    4. Enjoy the little things in life that are not dependent on materialism. You already know what they are for you.

    5. Do something that increases your self esteem every day. Learn something, create something, discover something, experience something.

    My prediction for the New Year is:

    In 2002 a lot of bad things will happen to people and in the world. In 2002 a lot of good things will happen to people and in the world.

    Lets try to contribute more to the 2nd prediction than we do to the first. That is the best recommendation.

    Take care my friends.

    Joel

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    Joel, aye, my friend. Thanks for the post. I too don't buy into the doom and gloom forecasts.

    After a long day yesterday, my wife said to me, "I love you so much, thank you for helping me."

    No matter what happens in the world, I have her-You Know what? That's all that matters.

    As for the credit card debt, I cut all mine up two years ago and have killed five thousand in principal. I'm VERY happy about that. It works. Just consolodate it and be content with less for awhile. It will equal more in the long run. Also, I've socked away about 8000 in my 401k in two years, for my long-term savings.

    In the end, some of what YK observes may be true, and his opinion is interesting and intelligent, but he is so cold about it, that it really doesn't matter to me. Even if he's 100% correct.

    peace,

    ashi

  • Erich
    Erich

    You Know: (citing Doug McIntosh)

    The spring 2002 economic recovery is a joke just like the two predicted in 2001 were. Deflation is here.


    and

    Buy gold and silver and prepare for an alternative economic system to the one collapsing around us. Remember the people of Argentina were reduced to debit cards and $250 a week in cash. If you had gold, you would simply have gone and sold an ounce or two if you needed money.



    This is nonsense; absolutely.

    Either you have inflation: then you have to buy gold and silver (or other metals or real estates or coffee or oil etc....)

    Or you have deflation: then please take your hands off!
    The only way possible in such a situation is waiting for a crash. Then go to buy stocks or gov loans or bonds at the lowest price level and sell them with a small profit.
    But if the crash is so strong that the banks become bankruptcy within days, it's your doom..;-)

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