If Evolution were untrue

badboy

If evolution were untrue, how come genetic studies point to an African
origin.eg it has been worked that the Vesikela Khung! who live in the Western Caprivi area of Namibia had the oldest 'Male lines' in the World(119,000 years approxiametly).
Compare that to the approxiametly 6,000 years claimed by Watchtower!
Even worse one of the pseudogenes origined 770,000 years ago.
If evolution were untrue, why should an African people have the oldest male lines

ThiChi

My point is that I would not place all my hope in the numbers you present. Seems that they change all the time.

((((At various times and places, man-made objects have been found encased in coal. Examples include a thimble,a an iron pot,b an iron instrument,c an 8-karat gold chain,d three throwing-spears,e and a metallic vessel inlaid with silver.f Other “out-of-place artifacts” have been found inside deeply buried rocks: nails,g a screw,h a strange coin,i a tiny ceramic doll,j and other objects of obvious human manufacture.k By evolutionary dating techniques, these objects would be hundreds of millions of years older than man. Again, something is wrong.

a . J. Q. Adams, “Eve’s Thimble,” American Antiquarian, Vol. 5, October 1883, pp. 331–332.

b . Wilbert H. Rusch, Sr., “Human Footprints in Rocks,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 7, March 1971, pp. 201–202.

c . John Buchanan, “Discovery of an Iron Instrument Lately Found Imbedded in a Natural Seam of Coal in the Neighbourhood of Glasgow,” Proceedings of the Society of Antiquarians of Scotland, Vol. 1, Part 2, Section IV, 1853.

d . “A Necklace of a Prehistoric God,” Morrisonville Times (Morrisonville, Illinois), 11 June 1891, p. 1.

e . Robin Dennell, “The World’s Oldest Spears,” Nature, Vol. 385, 27 February 1997, pp. 767–768.

Hartmut Thieme, “Lower Palaeolithic Hunting Spears from Germany,” Nature, Vol. 385, 27 February 1997, pp. 807–810.
f . “A Relic of a By-Gone Age,” Scientific American, Vol. 7, 5 June 1852, p. 298.

g . David Brewster, “Queries and Statements Concerning a Nail Found Imbedded in a Block of Sandstone Obtained from Kingoodie (Mylnfield) Quarry, North Britain,” reported to the British Association for the Advancement of Science, 1844.

Rene Noorbergen, Secrets of the Lost Races (New York: The Bobbs-Merrill Co., Inc., 1977), p. 42.
h . Ibid.

i . J. R. Jochmans, “Strange Relics from the Depths of the Earth,” Bible-Science Newsletter, January 1979, p. 1.

j . Robert E. Gentet and Edward C. Lain, “The Nampa Image—An Ancient Artifact?” Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 35, March 1999, pp. 203–210.

G. Frederick Wright, Man and the Glacial Period (New York: D. Appleton and Co., 1897), pp. 297–300.
G. Frederick Wright, “The Idaho Find,” American Antiquarian, Vol. 2, 1889, pp. 379–381.
G. Frederick Wright, “An Archaeological Discovery in Idaho,” Scribner’s Magazine, Vol. 7, 1890, pp. 235–238.
k . Frank Calvert, “On the Probable Existence of Man during the Miocene Period,” Anthropological Institute Journal, Vol. 3, 1873, pp. 127–129.

J. B. Browne, “Singular Impression in Marble,” The American Journal of Science and Arts, January 1831, p. 361. )))))

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ThiChi

Have New Scientific and Mathematical Tools Detected Adam and Eve?
Virtually all cells of every living thing (plants, animals, and humans) contain tiny strands of coded information called DNA. DNA directs the cell, telling it what to produce and when. Therefore, much of your appearance and personality is determined by the DNA you inherited from your parents.
In human cells, the nucleus contains 99.5% of the DNA. Half of it came from the individual’’s mother and half from the father. Because both halves are shuffled together, it is difficult to identify which parent contributed any tiny segment. In other words, half of this DNA changes with each generation. However, each cell has, outside its nucleus, thousands of little energy-producing components called mitochondria, each containing a circular strand of DNA. Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) comes only from the mother.1 Where did she get hers? From her mother——and so on. Normally, mtDNA does not change from generation to generation.
DNA is written with an alphabet of four letters: A, G, T, and C. One copy of a person’’s MtDNA is 16,559 letters long. Sometimes a mutation changes one of the letters in the mtDNA that a mother passes on to her child. These rare and somewhat random changes allow geneticists to identify families. For example, if your grandmother experienced an early mutation in her mtDNA, her children and any daughters’’ children would carry the same changed mtDNA. It would differ, in general, from that in the rest of the world’’s population.2
In 1987, a team at the University of California at Berkeley published a study comparing the mtDNA of 147 people from five of the world’’s geographic locations.3 They concluded that all 147 had the same female ancestor. She is now called ““the mitochondrial Eve.””
Where did mitochondrial Eve live? Initial research concluded it was probably Africa. Later, after much debate, it was realized that Asia and Europe were also possible origins for the mitochondrial Eve.4
From a biblical perspective, do we know where Eve lived? Because the flood was so destructive, no one knows where the Garden of Eden was.5 However, Noah’’s three daughters-in-law, who lived only a dozen or so generations after Eve, began raising their families near Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey——very near the common boundary of Asia, Africa, and Europe. (Each of us can claim one of Noah’’s daughters-in-law as our ever-so-great grandmother.) So, it is not surprising that Asia, Africa, and Europe are candidate homes for mitochondrial Eve.
Likewise, when similar words, sounds, and grammar of the world’’s most widely spoken languages are traced back in time, they also appear to originate near Ararat.6 Another convergence near eastern Turkey is found when one traces agriculture back in time.7
When did mitochondrial Eve live? To answer this, one must know how frequently mutations occur in mtDNA. Initial estimates were based on the following faulty reasoning: ““Humans and chimpanzees had a common ancestor about 5 million years ago. Because the mtDNA in humans and chimps differ in 1,000 places, one mutation occurs about every 10,000 years.”” Another erroneous approach began by assuming that Australia was first populated 40,000 years ago. The average number of mitochondrial mutations among Australian aborigines divided by 40,000 years provided another extremely slow mutation rate for mtDNA. These estimated rates, based on evolution, led to the mistaken belief that mitochondrial Eve lived 100,000––200,000 years ago. This surprised evolutionists who believe that our common ancestor was an apelike creature that lived 31/2 million years ago.9
A greater surprise, even disbelief, occurred in 1997, when it was announced that mutations in mtDNA occur 20 times more rapidly than previously thought. Mutation rates can now be determined directly by comparing the mtDNA of many mother-child pairs. Using the new, more accurate rate, mitochondrial Eve lived only about 6,000 years ago.10
Is there a ““genetic Adam””? A man receives from his father a segment of DNA which lies on the Y chromosome; this makes him a male. Where did your father receive his segment? From his father. If we all descended from one man, all males should have the same Y chromosome segment——except for rare mutations.
A 1995 study of a worldwide sample of 38 men showed no changes in this segment of the Y chromosome that is always inherited from fathers. Had humans evolved and all men descended from one male who lived 500,000 years ago, each should carry about 19 mutations. Had he lived 150,000 years ago, 5.5 mutations would be expected.11 Because no changes were found, our common father probably lived only thousands of years ago. While Adam was father of all, our most recent common male ancestor was Noah.
For completeness, we must also consider another possibility. Even if we all descended from the same female, other females may have been living at the same time. Their chains of continuous female descendants may have ended; their mtDNA died out. This happens with family names. If Mary and John XYZ have no sons, their unusual last name dies out. Likewise, many other men may have lived at the same time as our ““genetic Adam (or Noah).”” They might have no male descendants living today. How likely is it that other men lived a few thousand years ago but left no continuous male descendants, and other women lived 6,000 years ago but left no continuous female descendants, and we end up today with a world population of 6 billion people? Extremely remote!12
Yes, new discoveries show that we carry traces of Adam and Eve in our cells. Furthermore, our common ““parents”” are probably removed from us by only 200––300 generations. All humans have a common and recent bond——a family bond. We are all cousins.

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rhett

Wait a minute, you're talking about how we shouldn't believe that science isn't believable because the numbers change right ThiChi? At least when those numbers change no one had died before only to find out later that they didn't have to because the numbers or anything else has changed.

I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.

ThiChi

Rhett: Good points. However, it is the treatment of theories as facts that chap my hide.........

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Hojon

Rhett: Good points. However, it is the treatment of theories as facts that chap my hide.........

Like the theory of Creation?

badboy

Back to the basic point, regardless of the 119,00 being right, if the theory of Evolution were wrong, how come an African people have the oldest'Male lines' in the world if the literal Bible account is true.
Any answers anyone.

radar

If evolution were untrue where did we get our Canine teeth from?
Why do all meat eaters have eyes placed at the front of their faces and Herbivors have eyes at the sides?
Why is there only one Gene difference between man and ape.
Why do viruses have the intellegence to outsmart our immune system?
Why do humans tend to have their beds upstairs rather than on ground level much like apes make their beds in tree tops?

Radar

badboy

BTTT

mavie

why?

If Evolution were untrue

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