Was the Apostle Paul the Rutherford of his day?

by nugget 24 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    Paul and Rutherford subverted reinterpreted a code to their own devices.

    The difference is that Paul was immersed in a Stoic context and tried to impose his lifestyle on others, while Rutherford was a Hedonist and tried to manipulate others to heighten his own lifestyle.

    Paul prolly believed his own line; Rutherford was a hypocrite.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Paul never imposed his lifestyle but he did advice that it would be better for people to be "like him" because he believed that it would save them pain in the upcoming persecuation of their faith.

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    A few main topics and things written in Pauls letters.....

    1. Many were mainly written for the elect/annointed, look at the introduction of the letters to understand which are which.

    2. He said you don't need anybody to be teaching you, he said how nobody taught him, and he didn't go looking for teachers.

    3. He said he was concerned how easily he was accepted, he thought that after his departure, others could go in and if they accepted them as easily, without checking and verifying the teachings, they could be misled.

    4. Peter was sent to preach to people of the world, when he was in the midst of promient Jews, he would avoid them, Paul corrected him on that.

    5. Paul's letters emphasized faith, as Peters emphasized works. Paul said if you get circumsized thinking you must to get salvation, you don't have faith in the sacrifice. He gave more freedom then Peter. Paul was trying ot make a point, yet many took it to extreme liberties, which is why Peters letters say that in Pauls writings are things difficult to understand which many are twisting to their destruction.

    6. Paul said not to be judging and judgemental, the only ones not to associate with are those who 'claim' to be a brother but practicer of fornication, etc.

    7. Paul was VERY poor, would try to not take from anyone, and worked. RUTHERFORD, made himself a king, had a MANSION built for him in CA, claiming it's for the princes who would be resurrected on earth. They are NOTHING alike!

    I don't know how you read Paul's letters, they are hard to understand if your not meant to I suppose or getting spirit, but he is quite the opposite of what you were claiming.

    Mentioning what he said about Peter, if elders, etc were treating abusively people in the congregation, he would be the one to correct it. Not the one leading and giving off that mentality that they are better then everyone else. While Jesus was still on earth, we all know how Peter and the other disciples had a problem with being great, etc, so they are imperfect men and needed correction many times.

    As for the women thing, I know Paul did not invent the headship, so could be out of respect for God and could be what God really wants the congregation to be run. Jesus did not start congregations, his short time was covering as much of an area as possible and accomplishing his purpose while on earth. He did not start any congregation with sets of rules that we know of or had been recorded that we know of.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    We need to remember that Paul was doing his best to convert jews and gentiles alike, Jesus wasn't doing that at all.

    Jesus was preaching to the Jews ( and some samaritans) about the true will, the tru nature and love of a God they THOUGHT they knew already.

    Jesus wasn't converting anyone to a "new faith", that became the task of the apostles.

  • DrJohnStMark
    DrJohnStMark

    Another point of view: Also the level of insanity of Rutherford's writings is comparable with the insanity of those by Paul. Like Rutherford, Paul was able to produce a flow of absolut nonsense... wonder if he used the same dopes that the Judge did. Just (part of) one demonstration of Paul's apparent madness from Gal.Ch.4:

    21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; F10 the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

    Juas open any book by Rutherford to find similar streams of nonsense... he believed he was inspired like Paul did. But Festus knew better: Paul, thou art beside thyself; much learning doth make thee mad. (Acts 26:24)

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