Jehovah does not live by his own rules (page 3)

Jehovah doesn't live by His own rules today, either. That Almighty Lowlife Scumbag creates things (and by creating, I mean using force of circumstances to dictate who is born, not by directly creating people--I do not want to give Him any credit for anything good) only to not care for them. Yet, He expects people to (at GREAT personal hardship) to advance His selfish interests.

Jehovah is also well known to create distress for mankind. This is solely to dangle deliverance for us at some future time (which never gets here). The result has been one Dark Ages (so far, with the Second Dark Ages waiting), Islam laws that coerce people to sacrifice and veil their better qualities, and Christian wars and downright idiocy. And always something new--every time mankind finds a way out, Jehovah sabotages it and prevents growth of human consciousness so we can become independent of that Almighty Lowlife Scumbag for "deliverance". Yet, isn't it Jehovah Himself that claims to hate us if we try pulling scams like this?

Heaven

I see a Dissociative Identity Disorder God in the Bible. He is man-made.

dutchstef

Who cares what god omments if he punishes you for something your great grandpa might have done.

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,

cantleave

Glenster - this thread was getting tedious then you put some BOC into it - you're a STAR.

truthseeker

Larsinger actually has a point.

You can moan at God all you want but in the end he has the right to rule as he pleases because he is God and can do whatever he wants.

He can make and break rules. You don't have to like it.

It's sounds unfair, but God doesn't care about fairness. He can destroy anyone at whim.

The Old Testament has many unpleasant situations that don't harmonise with the God of the New Testament, but get this, God only speaks about three times in the New Testament, and on each occasion it is to do with approval of his Son.

I don't know why this is.

It's just something I have learned to accept.

sinis

Mad Dawg:
First, they were to look at the serpent, not worship it. They took back land that was rightfully theirs in the first place. The caananites were sacrificing their own children and murdering Isrealites among other things. They were given 400 yers to stop and plenty of time to leave ahead of the Isrealites. But then it is too much to expect that you would actually look into the context of what went on.

So when God allowed Job and his family to be killed that was merciful? Or how about Jepthah burning his daughter, that was ok? Or how about Jehovah wanting Abraham to sacrifice his son? That was fine too?

That was the Jews land??? Where do you get that? The Jews murdered whole civilizations according to the Bible. ...but then again, like other have mentioned, the whole context of the OT/NT is pure fantasy...

glenster

I put some BOC, ball out of control, into it? Talk about burning the house
DOWN, not a stone left standing. OK, that probably means Blue Oyster Cult.
I could've, though, and... and, ok:

Dark Ages
"every time mankind finds a way out, Jehovah sabotages it"

The Dark Ages idea, sometimes given as historical fact, is largely urban myth
and scholars generally don't use the phrase today:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_ages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_between_religion_and_science#Influence_of_a_biblical_world_view_on_early_modern_science
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science

"Islam laws that coerce people to sacrifice and veil their better qualities,
and Christian wars"

The Bible Jehovah can't be going against his word with Christianity or Islam
made law of the land, let alone directing them to aggressive religious war--
those came later and Islam is based on a later book. Even JWs leaders' litera-
ture gets that right. They weren't directed in the NT or what most Christians
or Islamic people live by, and aren't the case with billions who live by separa-
tion of church and state, which seems more appropriate for the original idea of
Christianity as something to spread among different kinds of people without
giving offense, sacrificing of the self to gain them to God, etc. Jesus didn't
teach to find people who are different and beat them up.

"I do not want to give Him any credit for anything good"

Then it's caricature. To be credible, the God concept has to be reconciled
with the good and bad of the world. Just the bad would be as much a mischar-
acterization as just the good for life itself, which the God concept has to be
reconciled with. Considering both, the best you can do is be glad for your
chance at it and the good you found in it. If you're on the offense about
all of a group different than you being characterized by the worst, you might
add to the worst. Instead, you could probably find a lot of the best who agreed
with you about the worst, and let that agreement define your group.

A catch 22 about characterizing Christians by the worst of them--James said
show me your faith by your works. If you show an example of a mob leader or
such who says he's Christian, James says he's disqualified.

Characterizing others as just the bad comes off as Judge Rutherford of the
atheists with aggressive public damnation and bombast for whoever different than
him. Ironically, it's the believers/non-believers/race, etc. people that were
so 'centric they were on the offense about people different than them, charac-
terizing the group by the worst of them, that have caused the most unnecessary
division and harm. They include those that were on the offense in religious
war/state atheism/race, etc., but not a lot of other people in those categories
who didn't take part. The offenders in that regard in all categories of belief
and non-belief (or others) are cut of a cloth and the rest don't deserve the
characterization.

"how about Jehovah wanting Abraham to sacrifice his son"

Jehovah wanted to test Abraham's faith--he didn't put him through it.

"punishing children for the iniquity of parents,"

Since they're stories about God, He could have known that the bad ways of the
parents would be passed along that long or make things worse for them. In those
days, as with Job, the prosperity of the family had a lot to do with how well
off future generations would have it.
http://www.gotquestions.org/parents-sin.html

The OT stories about leaders Moses, Joshua, and Samual, if they weren't figur-
ative like the flood story, have it that God was making divine interventions
to show the followers that the leaders were following God's commands, so they
wouldn't have been about genocide, any more than that God has us all die is
murder, given His prerogative. Like the Flood story, the stories have it that
everyone who died had done bad with their free will. Regarding children, God
could have known what they'd grow up to be.
http://www.rationalchristianity.net/genocide.html

All the OT deaths rolled into one aren't as big a concern as that we all die.
If God didn't have someone die in one of those stories, they would have died
later, anyway--everyone dies, which is part of the bad of the good and bad in
life the God concept has to be reconciled with to be credible, and is dealt with
in Job.

"So when God allowed Job and his family to be killed"

Actually, Job wasn't killed by the devil in the story. The idea Job expressed
is that with the good and bad in life, the best you can do is be glad of your
chance at it and the good you found in it, and so it is with belief in God
presiding over it. Giving it as only bad mischaracterizes God or life and
neglects God's prerogative. (There's also the later offer of the afterlife,
which by the interpretation involving the least death or suffering is Christian
Universalism.)

"how about Jepthah burning his daughter"

The Jeptatth claim is debated (except I don't think I'd have used the word
"nun" at the 1st link):
http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2008/02/18/judges-11-debunking-the-myth-that-jephthah-burns-his-daughter-as-a-human-sacrifice-to-god/
http://www.wcg.org/lit/bible/hist/judges6.htm

superpunk

God vs. Satan

DrJohnStMark

sound like an atheist. I've been hanging out with a lot of them lately and a lot of them are ANGRY with the God

I cannot be angry with the God and I cannot hate him/her. But I do despise the God of Bible because of his supposed or recorded actions and neglects in the past and in the future. The whole concept combined with what we can see here on earth is absurd. Fortunately.

Jehovah does not live by his own rules

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