by MarkSutter 52 Replies latest jw friends
SA has it If it was inserted in my right hand or forehead - no, I would not accept it.
To be exact, it depends on the name or the number of the mark, see verse 17.
16 He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
Blessings,
Stephen
If a chip could get rid of these, how could it possibly be a bad thing, provided it doesn't change who you essentially are - minus the bad shit?
oooo paradise earth lol
of course if youre no longer classed as an asset and no use to society it would probably be more viable for them to just dispense with the chip carrier rather than cure the affliction.
Hi, Chalam (Stephen)
I wonder if that would be so bad to accept the mark physically because one had too? because the Isrealites where forced to serve the Egyptians for hundreds of years before Yawey freed them.
I know or think there is a scripture stating if you don't worship their statue or false god then they will throw you in the furnace.
Obviously that would be bad to worship a false god, that would make Yawey very jealous but what about just accepting a stupid phycsical mark, after all we are nearly forced to accept credit cards as it is or we can not buy and sell with out one.
Oh! Accepting one from the GOVERnment.. Well, first I'd fight it with protests... If it became law, I'd find out whether things like exceptionally strong magnets would disrupt it... Have an 'accident' that removes that section of skin - big problem if it was located deeper, like in the brain...
Find a good black-market programmer who could 'fritz' the information... Heck, even before something like this became law, there'd be a group of rogue hackers working for some Oriental Mafia on ways to alter and avoid the effects of such a chip...
But wouldn't that be an ideal situation for the Watchtower Society, if they could initiate their own 'chipping' program - someone else did a thread or comment on that, if I remember...
[Accepting microchip implant from Watchtower Society...]
"If Jehovah wills it........"
Zid
Aouwww TRUEBLUE!! Charlie Sheen - the Viagra movie - laubhgineg so hare I acan't type...
I'm a cat lover, but that cat sailing out the window- PRIcelSSS!!! Zid
Hello TB,
There will be no forced mark taking, the NIV is not the best translation in respect of this verse
16 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead,
Not taking the mark doesn't look good.
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
However, much better than taking it.
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
Blessings,
Stephen
The government always like to keep an eye on its live stock, for tax purposes, and to coral them into the appropriate pens.
Of course i would... when i am wandering the streets with dementia i want to be sent back home to my younger wife...
oz
I often wonder whether any government really needs to "implant" any chip in anyone.
With so many things already with chips in them, credit cards, bank cards, passports, soon here in UK ID cards, etc.
Also CCTV watching everyone these days, systems being developed that will be able to pick out an individual from a crowd.
Just by scanning peoples faces.
I recall about a year ago a program on TV showing a surveilance expert being to listen to peoples mobile phone calls,
even with right software on a laptop to turn a persons phone on and listen to what was being said.
Also if you use WI-FI for your laptop or desktop computer how sitting outside your home he could pick up what you are doing on your computer.
Just with a name and date of Birth he could find out a person, bank statements, medical records etc.
So if he a non-Government person can find such things how much more can government agencies.
As to implanting chips , we have enough fuss kicked up here in the UK with the government wanting us to have ID cards.
There are a few hundred Alzheimers patients already microchipped as well as some families who have chipped their kids in case of abduction. I think they are all along the east coast somewhere. Bear in mind that chipping is done routinely in lobster, on pets and up to this point, chips are built into some products that you buy in stores. Nobody has to even chip you - all the chips in your passport, license, vehicle plates, product bar codes, credit and debit cards - they all track you. I believe the UK has chipped bus passes as well so that head office can tell if you, Jimmy Jones are on a bus, which one, and where the bus is at. Police officers have already been chipped in some countries last I heard. Just think - no more social security cards needed, or identity theft - a chip at birth takes the place of a paper document - a President wouldn't have to worry about producing a birth certificate, he'd just have to be scanned. Here's an older article that showed the interest which has apparently increased over these past few years - sammieswife.
By Chetna Purohit Wednesday, June 9, 2004 Posted: 1324 GMT (2124 HKT)
(CNN) -- Queuing to get into one nightclub in Spain could soon be a thing of the past for regular customers thanks to a tiny computer chip implanted under their skin.
The technology, known as a VeriChip, also means nightclubbers can leave their cash and cards at home and buy drinks using a scanner. The bill can then be paid later.
The system is also designed to curb identity theft and prevent fraudulent access to credit card accounts that is increasingly common in crowded restaurants and clubs.
Clubbers who want to join the scheme at Baja Beach Club in Barcelona pay 125 euros (about US $150) for the VeriChip -- about the size of a grain of rice -- to be implanted in their body.
Then when they pass through a scanner the chip is activated and it emits a signal containing the individual's number, which is then transmitted to a secure data storage site.
The club's director, Conrad Chase, said he began using the VeriChip, made by Applied Digital Solutions, in March 2004 because he needed something similar to a VIP card and wanted to provide his customers with better service.
"I believe we should use new technology to provide our customers with the best service and entertainment," Chase told CNN.
He said 10 of the club's regular customers, including himself, have been implanted with the chip, and predicted more would follow.
"I know many people who want to be implanted," said Chase. "Almost everybody now has a piercing, tattoos or silicone. Why not get the chip and be original?"
In the wake of the Madrid train bombings that killed 190 people in March, Chase said VeriChip could also boost security by speeding up checks at airports, for example.
He denied the scheme had any drawbacks. The VeriChip is an in-house debit card and contains no personal information. It is made of glass so poses no health risk, Chase said.
But Dr. Arun Patel, a general physician in Los Angeles, warned that placing an electronic device inside the body could be problematic.
"From a medical standpoint, obviously you worry about radiation with any electronic device," Patel said. (The following article by Associated Press is posted on the CBS news website) http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/17/tech/main563819.shtml A Real Chip On Your Shoulder MEXICO CITY, July 17, 2003
(AP) Borrowing from an idea that allows pet owners to track their dogs and cats, a U.S. company launched Thursday in Mexico the sale of microchips that can be implanted under a person's skin and used to confirm everything from health history to identity.
The microchips, which went on sale last year in the United States, could tap into a growing industry surrounding Mexico's crime concerns. Kidnappings, robberies and fraud are common here, and Mexicans are constantly looking for ways to stay ahead of criminals.
The microchip, the size of a grain of rice, is implanted in the arm or hip and can contain information on everything from a person's blood type to their name. Hospital officials and security guards can use a scanning device to read the chip's information.
In a two-hour presentation, Palm Beach, Florida-based Applied Digital Solutions Inc. introduced reporters to the VeriChip and used a syringe-like device and local anesthetic to implant a sample in the right arm of employee Carlos Altamirano.
“It doesn't hurt at all,” he said. “The whole process is just painless.”
Another chip user, Luis Valdez, who is diabetic, said the chip is “as innovative to me as the cell phone.”
Antonio Aceves, the director of the Mexican company charged with distributing the chip here, said that in the first year of sales, the company hoped to implant chips in 10,000 people and ensure that at least 70 percent of all hospitals had the technology to read the devices.
One chip costs $150 and has a $50 annual fee. The scanning device and related software is $1200. Users can update and manage their chips' information by calling a 24-hour customer service line.
Similar technology has been used on dogs and cats as a way to identify the pets if they are lost or stolen.
The VeriChip can track subjects who are within 5 miles, but officials want to develop a new chip that can use satellite technology to track people who are farther away and may have been kidnapped.
While the idea of using the chip to track people has raised privacy concerns in the United States, the idea has been popular with Mexicans, who have been contacting Aceves and asking when the new global positioning chip will be available. The company hopes to have the new anti-kidnapping chip developed by 2003.
--
