Occult vs. Cult

by God_Delusion 18 Replies latest jw experiences

  • God_Delusion
    God_Delusion

    Occult = "The term is also used as a label given to a number of magical organisations or orders, the teachings and practices taught by them, and to a large body of current and historical literature and spiritual philosophy related to this subject ." - Wikipedia

    Cult = "Scholars and non-academic researchers who use the term do so from explicitly critical perspectives which focus on the relationship between cult groups and the individual people who join them. These perspectives share the assumption that some form of coercive persuasion or mind control is used to recruit and maintain members by suppressing their ability to reason, think critically, and make choices in their own best interest." - Taken out of context, just as the WBTS do. Source - Wikipedia


    Now, let's get to the root of why I created this thread.

    When I first read (late 2008) that the organisation behind the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Watch Tower, Bible & Tract Society (WTBS), were coined as a cult, I dismissed it outright. I had made up my mind that I was leaving the organisation at that time, therefore it wasn't as if I was brainwashed into thinking that the organisation couldn't possibly be a cult, or was I?

    Since fully leaving, I have been having mind break-through's. This happens to ones like us, especially if the teachings of the WBTS were embedded from birth. As our minds have broken free, some of the teachings swirl around in our subconscious and sometimes seep into our conscious mind.

    As I said, I have been having break-through's, or flashbacks if you will. Today, I remembered various (notice the plural) talks given by elders in relation to cults. What surprised me though, was that I remembered that when the elder mentioned the word "cult", he also mentioned the word "occult" within the same sentence or paragraph.

    Why do this? Both words may sound alike, but sounding and being are two very distinct things. As I have detailed above, "cult" & "occult" share two very seperate labels.

    I haven't done any research into this coincidence. Maybe it's just that, a coincidence. I do find it strange though, that even though I hated the WBTS, I still got angry at the fact that it was being called a cult, for (and here's the crux of this thread) "the Jehovah's Witnesses weren't demon possessed".

    Ah, there you have it. By mentioning these two words; words that sound alike, our mind, understood the two to be inseparable.

    I spoke with King Agag today about this and he to remembers that both "cult" & "occult" were used together during talks. Do any of you remember this also? Are there any other words that they, the cult, also known as the WBTS, used/use?

    I am sure there is a psychological term used to describe this form of mind control, does anyone know what it is? I recently ordered the book, Combating Cult Mind Control: The Number 1 Best-selling Guide to Protection, Rescue and Recovery from Destructive Cults, by Steven Hassan (notice how he put "The Number 1 Best-selling Guide..." in the books title....this guy is clever as that's a form of mind-control right there!) and can't wait to read it.

    Kind regards
    RAB

    Have a very Merry Christmas and an exceedingly good New Year!

  • JAFO
    JAFO

    Thanks, God_Delusion.. interesting subject, and you make some good points.

    From the Online Etymological Dictionary (one of my fav sites.. the etymology of words fascinates me)

    occultLook up occult at Dictionary.com
    1530s, "secret, not divulged," from L. occultus "hidden, concealed, secret," pp. of occulere "cover over, conceal," from ob "over" + a verb related to celare "to hide," from PIE base *kel- (see cell). Meaning "not apprehended by the mind, beyond the range of understanding" is from 1540s. The association with the supernatural sciences (magic, alchemy, astrology, etc.) dates from 1630s.
    cultLook up cult at Dictionary.com
    1617, "worship," also "a particular form of worship," from Fr. culte, from L. cultus "care, cultivation, worship," originally "tended, cultivated," pp. of colere "to till" (see colony). Rare after 17c.; revived mid-19c. with reference to ancient or primitive rituals. Meaning "devotion to a person or thing" is from 1829.

    As you can see, there is no relationship between the two words at all. Thinking back, I do recall similar manipulation of other words, both in WTB$ publications and from the platform, although no examples come to mind right now.. (I've been 'out' for 25 years) Some quick searching via google has not turned up a term to describe this kind of thought control, though I'm sure there would be one.. maybe somebody else would know..

    On a more mundane level, concerning occult vs. cult, my Tarot cards and Ouija board are among my most treasured possessions, and I'm quite sure of what a particular cult would have to say about that!

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga

    Interesting.

    I personally do not specifically remember the use of the words "cult" and "occult" used together from a JW platform, but it would not surprise me in the slightest, and certainly goes along with their emotionally charged list of forbidden things in their loaded language.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    There's a big dif between occult and cult. Occult simply means hidden. Cult, currently means abusive religion. Occult needs not have any connection w religion. The wt using the two terms together could be a form of deception. Associated together it would connect the fear that jws have of the occult to the word cult. Thus, using the word cult would trigger fear. It could be a ploy designed to help jws deny that they are in a cult.

    S

  • bettyinlove
    bettyinlove

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  • Satanus
    Satanus

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  • JAFO
    JAFO

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  • Anti-Christ
    Anti-Christ

    interesting, I mostly was in french speaking congs, the words are different we say sect when it comes to cults and cult is use to describe worship.

    This can be a form of mind control of course using the two words together to cause confusion or implant a "reflex" when you hear it it causes a reaction even if the two words do not mean the same thing. Or it just could be that the JW do not shit and just pull things out of their ass.

  • HappyGuy
    HappyGuy

    the two words are not related in any sense.

    Prior to Christianity, mysticism and the occult (two words for basically the same thing) were basically describing seeking that which cannot be seen with the eye. The Christains turned these two words into meaning something "evil". It was the Christains who gave the connotation of Satan worship to the word "occult", occultists themselves never thought it meant that.

    The word cult of course in modern times means a form of worship characterized by undue devotion to a person, group or thing.

    The WTBTS is well known for misusing words in order to confuse and control the mind.

  • inkling
    inkling
    Or it just could be that the JW do not shit and just pull things out of their ass.

    Yeah, I'm going to go with that.
    "Hanlon's Razor:"

    "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

    MAYBE if someone finds it in print, but even that might just be a really dense writer.

    [inkling]

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