will harmagedon ever come ?

eternal existent

i wonder if harmagedon will ever come or if it is only a synonym for something other than jehovahs whitnesses believe.
please answer me in easy english because Im not englishman and my english is not very good.
thank you.

Erich

to eternal existent:

Look at your bible Re 16:16:

"And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Harmagedon".

That is written for all folks here on earth, not only for JW's. You see, it is no synonym, rather it is a real situation; the climax of a certain process, called "great tribulation". We do not know the way HOW the process will take place, we do not know WHEN and we do not know the DURATION the process needs until its end.

Fact is, that people who believe and know, that this process
is not man-made but comes from an "higher source" (and there
is a name for this source called YHVH/JHWH) will be surviving this process; those people who go on to fight against this process - ignoring the fact this process comes from God - will not survive.

The process with high probability will happen in an other manner than most JW's had expected in earlier decades. Bible is no "history" book and especially, it is no "programming manual"....

logical

It comes after the 1000 years reign.

Armageddon is the Gog Magog war, the war of God Almighty, the war in which the adversary and his followers are finally done away with.

The prophecies in Revelation are not written in chronological order.

Undecided

Hi Eternal,

You are wasting you time trying to understand the bible, every religious group has it's own explaination. Just make up your own version, it's just as good as the next person you ask, including me.

Good Luck,

Ken P.

Yadirf

Erich

[Armageddon] is a real situation; the climax of a certain process, called "great tribulation".

I'm afraid you're a bit off base here, Erich. Armageddon is an entirely separate event than the “tribulation” of Matthew 24:21 that you refer to. You're quite mistaken in thinking that such "great tribulation" will culminate in Armageddon. Actually, the "climax" of the great tribulation will be the collapse of all earth's governments, which of course has nothing to do with Armageddon. The fulfillment of Matthew 24:7 is what produces the great tribulation which leads to such collapse (death-stroke of 7th head of wild beast). Thus, whereas the great tribulation is the consequence of 'nation rising against nation', to contrast with that, Armageddon is God waging war against all nations. Rather than the great tribulation itself leading to the removal of man’s governments (Armageddon), it leads instead to a collapse and then revival of those governments. Once revived, a global government will be devised and will reign for a short while prior to Armageddon. Before Armageddon takes place this global government will have proclaimed “peace and security” as finally having been achieved throughout the earth. No, Armageddon is certainly not the "climax" of the great tribulation.

Yadirf

Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

rhett

No, it will not come. It really won't come in the way that JW's believe.

I don't need to fight
To prove I'm right
I don't need to be forgiven.

Erich

Yadirf:

Yes. I heard this your view of "Armageddon" last year at the first time at a CO-talk in our congo. This view (now the official WTS-view?) differs considerably from what I've learned 20 years ago when I studied the bible.

I am feeling uncomfortable with this view. The reason is, because no sort of human logic and discerning mind can explain why great tribulation will lead ---->
- I write it down quasi in a "time line":

at point in time a) to the collapse of all earth's governments...

at point in time b) surprisingly - to a revival of the destroyed
governments....

at point in time c) to a new "global empire", devised and established
by that "resurrected" governments, that
governs for a while...

at point in time d) the mentioned global empire will proclaim "peace
and security"...

at point in time e) Great final in Armageddon. God is waging
against all nations. Great slaughter. Only
baptized JW's do survive; and only those, who
are not weak. (At that time).

Why should God first bring a collapse on the governments, and THEN subsequently a "resurrection" for a short while ?

Besides: IF REALLY SO, then there is no wonder that many JW's would ask themselves: why don't let us wait for this period of "resurrection"? Subsequently, there would be enough time yet to keep with biblical commandments... Just let us wait and see...

No. I do not believe in this "time line", or better: "biblical programming manual"...

God will proceed in a surprisingly manner no JW and no WTS had expected. That's what I am convinced of...

Yadirf

Erich

Yes. I heard this your view of "Armageddon" last year at the first time at a CO-talk in our congo.

Are you sure that you heard the view that I’ve presented? I rather doubt that, as to my knowledge the WTS has yet to grasp this particular scenario. I would really like for you to answer this question. It would be great news to me if you were to be right, but I seriously have my doubts about what you say being true. Surely you are confused somehow.

Why should God first bring a collapse on the governments, and THEN subsequently a "resurrection" for a short while ?

No one said that it was God that would cause the collapse. The worldwide collapse of governments will be brought about as the result of the great tribulation mentioned in the 21st verse of Matthew 24, as a consequence of the fulfillment of events mentioned in the 7th verse. Satan is the one that instigates the unprecedented warfare between nations mentioned in verse 7, not God. Therefore, Satan, not God, is the source of that “great tribulation”. Satan, out of desperation due to having been cast out of heaven at that time and knowing that his time is short, will cause the strife of verse 7 in hopes of thwarting God’s purpose of a Kingdom in the hands of Jesus and his co-rulers. It appears that in order to succeed against God Satan’s intention will be to prevent the last ones of the 144,000 from being chosen. In order to do that it will be necessary to eliminate the entire human race. Hence the necessity for God’s having to intervene by cutting short the tribulation, as mentioned at verse 22.

Yadirf

Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.

Nathan Natas

Harmageddon came invisibly in 1975.

FreePeace

will harmagedon ever come ?

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