Hmmm...I have a question

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  • Perry
    Perry
    Those scriptures say that if you aren't Christian you have no hope of everlasting life. The 'deserving' critieria is never reached if you do not believe in Christ.

    Heaven,

    It isn't necessary for you to continue this assertion. I REPEAT. THERE IS NO DESERVING CRITERIA of any kind. No Christian will assert this as it is diametrically opposed to the agreement that they have with God through the NT. Christians agree to the exact opposite of what you assert, that they deserve nothing but an adverse judgment. This is what brings them to Jesus. Now, do you get it?

    I do not chastise God

    Yes you do. And, I showed you where. Here it is again:

    If God is this short sighted, I want nothing to do with him.

    You can claim all day long that this is not chastising God. But, that is EXACTLY what you are doing here. To even to attempt to claim otherwise is foolish. Do you understand that this isn't remotely logical?

    I DO chastise the Christian God

    So which is it? You do or you don't? You seem utterly confused.

    My belief is that anything is possible.

    Your belief is anything but this. Or else you would logically concede that A Supreme Being (which is what most people think of when the word God is used) would have to be evil himself if he did not judge and punish those that inflict harm on others.

    And, atheism is an impossibility.
    Prove it.

    Atheism posits "no God" . A person would have to be all powerful himself and look everywhere in the universe to make this a true statement. Ironically, an atheist would have to become the very thing that he claims doesn't exist to make his world logical again. Which in fact he does... but only in his own delusions.

  • bohm
    bohm

    PERRY: Atheism posits "no God" . A person would have to be all powerful himself and look everywhere in the universe to make this a true statement.

    Serious question. Does your argument also apply to the flying spaghetti monster?

  • Perry
    Perry

    Of Course, especially if hundreds of millions of people claim that he exists, inhabits their body, talks to them etc.

  • bohm
    bohm

    Perry: but YOU do not believe in the flying spaghetti monster right? and you dont think that makes you a supreme being of infinite wisdom to make that statement?

  • Perry
    Perry

    Excellent question Bohn! Of course not.

    However, you are ignoring part of my last answer. If the FSM lived inside of me and hundreds of millions of other people claimed the same dynamic relationship, then I most certainly would!

  • The Finger
    The Finger

    In the covenant made with Moses as the mediator the people had the baptism first otherwise they were not included in the covenant and remained in Eygpt.

  • The Finger
    The Finger

    The baptism of Noah as mentioned by Peter was life saving and so was the baptism out of Eygpt. So is the Christian baptism.

  • bohm
    bohm

    Perry: so its okay to be atheist with respect to a God which noone feels live inside of them, but not to a God where people feel it live inside of them?

  • Perry
    Perry

    Finger,

    No where does the bible claim that we are saved by baptism. It does however claim that we are saved by the blood of Jesus.

    http://www.carm.org/christianity/baptism/baptism-necessary-salvation

  • Perry
    Perry

    bohm, it's "OK" to believe whatever you want. We are free creatures. Not sure what your point is. Please re-phrase.

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