The Great Global Warming Collapse

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  • MegaDude
    MegaDude

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/the-great-global-warming-collapse/article1458206/

    The great global warming collapse

    Anthony Jenkins/The Globe and Mail

    As the science scandals keep coming, the air has gone out of the climate-change movement

    Margaret Wente

    Margaret Wente

    Published on Friday, Feb. 05, 2010 6:45PM EST Last updated on Monday, Feb. 08, 2010 3:29AM EST

    I n 2007, the most comprehensive report to date on global warming, issued by the respected United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, made a shocking claim: The Himalayan glaciers could melt away as soon as 2035.

    These glaciers provide the headwaters for Asia's nine largest rivers and lifelines for the more than one billion people who live downstream. Melting ice and snow would create mass flooding, followed by mass drought. The glacier story was reported around the world. Last December, a spokesman for the World Wildlife Fund, an environmental pressure group, warned, “The deal reached at Copenhagen will have huge ramifications for the lives of hundreds of millions of people who are already highly vulnerable due to widespread poverty.” To dramatize their country's plight, Nepal's top politicians strapped on oxygen tanks and held a cabinet meeting on Mount Everest.

    But the claim was rubbish, and the world's top glaciologists knew it. It was based not on rigorously peer-reviewed science but on an anecdotal report by the WWF itself. When its background came to light on the eve of Copenhagen, Rajendra Pachauri, the head of the IPCC, shrugged it off. But now, even leading scientists and environmental groups admit the IPCC is facing a crisis of credibility that makes the Climategate affair look like small change.

    “The global warming movement as we have known it is dead,” the brilliant analyst Walter Russell Mead says in his blog on The American Interest. It was done in by a combination of bad science and bad politics.

    The impetus for the Copenhagen conference was that the science makes it imperative for us to act. But even if that were true – and even if we knew what to do – a global deal was never in the cards. As Mr. Mead writes, “The global warming movement proposed a complex set of international agreements involving vast transfers of funds, intrusive regulations in national economies, and substantial changes to the domestic political economies of most countries on the planet.” Copenhagen was never going to produce a breakthrough. It was a dead end.

    And now, the science scandals just keep on coming. First there was the vast cache of e-mails leaked from the University of East Anglia, home of a crucial research unit responsible for collecting temperature data. Although not fatal to the science, they revealed a snakepit of scheming to keep contradictory research from being published, make imperfect data look better, and withhold information from unfriendly third parties. If science is supposed to be open and transparent, these guys acted as if they had a lot to hide.

    Despite widespread efforts to play down the Climategate e-mails, they were very damaging. An investigation by the British newspaper The Guardian – among the most aggressive advocates for action on climate change – has found that a series of measurements from Chinese weather stations were seriously flawed, and that documents relating to them could not be produced.

    Meantime, the IPCC – the body widely regarded, until now, as the ultimate authority on climate science – is looking worse and worse. After it was forced to retract its claim about melting glaciers, Mr. Pachauri dismissed the error as a one-off. But other IPCC claims have turned out to be just as groundless.

    For example, it warned that large tracts of the Amazon rain forest might be wiped out by global warming because they are extremely susceptible to even modest decreases in rainfall. The sole source for that claim, reports The Sunday Times of London, was a magazine article written by a pair of climate activists, one of whom worked for the WWF. One scientist contacted by the Times, a specialist in tropical forest ecology, called the article “a mess.”

    Worse still, the Times has discovered that Mr. Pachauri's own Energy and Resources Unit, based in New Delhi, has collected millions in grants to study the effects of glacial melting – all on the strength of that bogus glacier claim, which happens to have been endorsed by the same scientist who now runs the unit that got the money. Even so, the IPCC chief is hanging tough. He insists the attacks on him are being orchestrated by companies facing lower profits.

    Until now, anyone who questioned the credibility of the IPCC was labelled as a climate skeptic, or worse. But many climate scientists now sense a sinking ship, and they're bailing out. Among them is Andrew Weaver, a climatologist at the University of Victoria who acknowledges that the climate body has crossed the line into advocacy. Even Britain's Greenpeace has called for Mr. Pachauri's resignation. India says it will establish its own body to monitor the effects of global warming because it “cannot rely” on the IPCC.

    None of this is to say that global warming isn't real, or that human activity doesn't play a role, or that the IPCC is entirely wrong, or that measures to curb greenhouse-gas emissions aren't valid. But the strategy pursued by activists (including scientists who have crossed the line into advocacy) has turned out to be fatally flawed.

    By exaggerating the certainties, papering over the gaps, demonizing the skeptics and peddling tales of imminent catastrophe, they've discredited the entire climate-change movement. The political damage will be severe. As Mr. Mead succinctly puts it: “Skeptics up, Obama down, cap-and-trade dead.” That also goes for Canada, whose climate policies are inevitably tied to those of the United States.

    “I don't think it's healthy to dismiss proper skepticism,” says John Beddington, the chief scientific adviser to the British government. He is a staunch believer in man-made climate change, but he also points out the complexity of climate science. “Science grows and improves in the light of criticism. There is a fundamental uncertainty about climate change prediction that can't be changed.” In his view, it's time to stop circling the wagons and throw open the doors. How much the public will keep caring is another matter.

  • dogon
    dogon

    I think to dismiss it outright is another fallacy. There is some evidence that the tons of CO2 we put into the air each second has to have an affect. This is also a neocon talking point that has to be looked at with a lot of skeptisism in the first place because of the Republican agenda of giving every thing the big corps want and being bought and paid for by big business. We are in two wars one based on neocon lies and we should have had much more of a critique of Bush and his WMDs in Iraq than we all did. If Backman says it I have to take five steps back and say wait a min. she is as insane as anyone in Belview. There may be some skewing of the rate of GW or how far it can damage things, but it would be a fools idea to think that the world can burn millions of bbls of oil a day and tons of coal and other garbage pumped into the air and think it has no affect.

    Further how many times have big corps published their own reports and to this day say smoking has not been linked to any lung cancer? Or that pumping some crap into the ground has no link to the increased cancer rate of children or lukemia deaths that have increased in their area? Corporations would cut your mother open if they thought she swollawed a penny and not think twice. So when people and ideas backed by these neocon idiots come out against an idea or thesis that may hurt thier bottom line I will hold judgment and take their backed reports with the little respect they deserve.

    American has become a country of bowing down to the alter of money and how much I can get even if it screws some little guy. It is government regulation that is needed and what Bush set aside that allowed the banks to do what they did that brought us to our knees and after all that we still have no comprehensive health care, the big insurance compnays bought off the republicans to be the party NO, we have no regulation not one new reg. on the banking industry or wall street the two that brought us the almost collapse of our whole economy. But the neocons insist everything is fine and we just need to deregulate more.

    So when the Neocons tell us that there is no global warming I have to think they have several dogs in this fight and every reason or $ paid to them by big business so why should I believe a thing they say? The short answer is I shoud not. ClusterFox noise has been a shrill for the big bisuness for sometime and have been one sided in their coverage. When they fight even the smallest thing like wind energy or electric cars or any common sense conservation and instead have "drill baby drill" as their solution to our energy situation I have to think who is backing them? big oil and so their ideas have to be suspect.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    I knew something was wrong when I first heard that Mars is warming. Now, I am hearing Jupiter and Neptune are also warming--and we are not doing those planets. And now this--I think we are warming the planet by a maximum of 0.01 o C, and that temporarily (whatever carbon dioxide we put in the air now is not going to be put in the air by volcanoes in the future). That is hardly enough to do diddly.

    However, that is not going to stop Osama Obama from imposing a fake energy crisis on the basis of fake global warming (or natural global warming). What happens if he gets our fake energy crisis, temperature busts to enforce 55 o F winter/84 F summer temperatures, a 45 MPH speed limit, pitch darkness at night, and no use of appliances and the earth continues warming up? I would like to impose those measures--total darkness at night (no electric lights of any kind), a 55 o F. winter/84 o F. summer temperature, and a 45 MPH speed limit on Osama Obama and anyone else that helps him pass the measure. Let's see how well they tolerate it.

    And no, I do not excuse the witlesses for wasting resources. They are using energy and other resources, and polluting the earth with their trash (both in terms of food wrappers and in terms of their doctrines), without putting anything worthwhile out in exchange. Do we really need to waste 50 gallons of gas per congregation per boasting session? Or, do we really need to waste 400 or 500 gallons per congregation just so we can have a waste of paper distribution campaign?

  • HappyGuy
    HappyGuy

    The global warming nutjobs themselves admitted that global warming was in error when they switched their language to "climate change". They made this switch right after reports were released showing that the climate was not warming up.

    This labelling anyone who doesn't agree with your position a "neocon" is insulting and intellectually dishonest. I don't believe the climate change hysteria for very solid scientific reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with Fox news or any of the lunatic "right" nutjobs on TV or the radio.

    I am a Goldwater conservative on fiscal issues, a libertarian on social issues, and a constitutionalist on government issues. So trying to label me a "neocon" doesn't hold water. What does Bush have to do with this issue? I didn't get any of my facts that underlie my opinion on this from Bush.

    You make the assumption that climate change is/will be 'damaging'. Great Britain, Greenland, Canada, and the Scandinavian countries all had global warming in the middle ages, vinyards in the northern British Isles, dairy farms in Greenland, the people in these areas thrived, they were not damaged. What proof can you offer that the climate change you are predicting will be "damaging"?

    I also completely reject the "solution" that the climate change hysterians are proposing because they won't do anything except move trillions of dollars from people that they don't like to people that they do like (themselves and their cronies).

    Now if you want to talk about energy conservation and developing new sources of energy (because it makes so much sense for so many reasons to do so) without trying to shove the church of climate change doctrine down my throat I am ready, willing, and able to discuss it and I agree that it needs to be done. But if that is the goal then say it is the goal and properly fund it directly and don't try to force on me some charlatan shell game called cap and trade where all the money stolen from rate payers will not end up achieving these goals (it won't).

    I think that most Americans are rational enough and patriotic enough that if conservation and creating new sources of energy was promoted for the benefits it will bring our country and was presented HONESTLY "we will need to undertake these N number of projects which will cost this X amount of money over the next Y years", I think they would support it. But, because the climate change hysterians are trying to bully us and scare us into accepting their word for it and their "solution", then very few support acheiving these goals.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    They made this switch right after reports were released showing that the climate was not warming up.

    what? Climate was predicted to show warming due to industrialization over 100 years ago, and that is exactly what is happening.

    Some of you need to read less works by current opinion writers, and more works by long dead scientist.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    The Federal Government is forming a new agency to study the problem.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35297113/ns/us_news-environment/

  • HappyGuy
    HappyGuy

    I dont read works by opinion writers, I look at the facts.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine
    I dont read works by opinion writers, I look at the facts.

    Oh good. I guess you won't be claiming "reports were released showing that the climate was not warming up" again, then.

  • worldtraveller
    worldtraveller

    Glad that's been oficially debunked. And here I thought clean air was important. More carbon (dioxide) for everyone. More fossil fuel consumption for the good of big oil.

    So what if it's a bunch of hooey? Do you not all deserve clean and usable air? I think I do. No wait, someone else has to do my thinking. Sorry.

  • Married to the Mob
    Married to the Mob

    Well this is isn't the first time someone "sexed up" the facts.

    Even if the earth is not warming up as fast as predicited and so on and so forth the world does have to address a few issues:

    a) we are rapidly using up the earth resources faster than they can be replaced

    b) we are having an impact on the wildlife

    Quick fixes such as us all driving hybrid cars and stopping the japanese hunting the whales for food will not help. (Hybrids btw are no more fuel efficent than an average european car , plus take more energy to manufacture and japanese whaling accoounts for less than 10% of whale deaths per year, 90% are caused by collisions with commercial shipping)

    We have to change the way we live!

    Better urban planning / transportation to reduce the reliance on the car, promoting walking, public transport

    Better designed cars to make them lighter, cleaner, use less fuel whilst maintaining safety.

    Improved housing design to make them use less energy.

    Reduce the distance that we transport goods.

    There is one downside to all of this.....its going to cost you money!

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