Tell me why MY VIEW of Christianity is wrong

by Terry 39 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    I've given up organized religion, but not Chrisitianity as I see it. I therefore speak for no one other than myself.

    What Jesus taught was an inducement to start a journey. This side of eternity no one every completes that journey, no one ever has all the answers because He wants us seeking questions, not answers. He told us He would return, He didn't say when becuase he wants us to seek His love and wisdom in our lives, not the the sky. (side bar: JW's love to quote the parable of the good and evil servants. Note that the evil servant says "my master is delaying." In order to think the Master is late, one has to have some thought as to when he was due. Since Jesus didn't give us an agenda we are therefore not to speculate about the date. WTBS lurkers take note.)

    Saying I'm a Catholic (Jew, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Whatever) and I therefore believe (insert belief statement here) is an attempt to shortcut the journey. The biggest problem with this is that you are short changing yourself.

    A line I've taken from the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous: We claim spiritual progress, not spiritual perfection (speaking of individuals, not the group.) This is also a good startment of the "light getting brighter" passage in Proverbs.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Well said JeffT.

    I am a Christain because I CHOSE to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ as my personal saviour and path to God.

    I do NOT belong to any religion or organization, the kingdom of God is within me as my Lord and Saviour Jesus has shown me.

    I know that MY path is just that, MINE and that others will have different paths and I respect all of them, unless their path cause harm to others.

    When I speak of Christ and Christanity I speak of MY Christ and MY Christanity, not anyone elses.

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    And another thought:

    Jesus invited us to have a personal relationship with Him. As with all other relationships, the idividual's relationship with Jesus will not be like any other individual's relationship. Is your relationship with your wife wrong becuase it is not like my relationship with my wife? Of course not! Yet many organized religions insist on a one size fits all approach to this relationship. Their loss (IMHO).

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    And another thought:
    Jesus invited us to have a personal relationship with Him. As with all other relationships, the idividual's relationship with Jesus will not be like any other individual's relationship. Is your relationship with your wife wrong becuase it is not like my relationship with my wife? Of course not! Yet many organized religions insist on a one size fits all approach to this relationship. Their loss (IMHO).

    Jeff has nailed the correct to a cross, ooppps, torture stake, LOL !

  • The Finger
    The Finger

    The basis of salvation is the ransom sacrifice and our acceptance of it. The rest is up to God.

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    :Tell me why MY VIEW of Christianity is wrong

    Because it steals away from people something they think they need more than life itself: an imaginary friend.

    A vast amount of human misery, wars and suffering is due to people who believe their imaginary friend is superior to their foe's imaginary friend.

    Why take all that fun away from them and try to help them make the world a better and safer place, Terry?

    Farkel

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    I prefer fact over 'belief'. If Marconi, Edison, Tesla, Einstein, had subscribed to 'belief' instead of intellectual/rational experiments/facts to devise solutions to real problems.

    There is NO conflict between Faith and Reason. The conflict thesis is an old trope that some creaking old minds have not yet discarded.

    Marconi: Catholic then Anglican. Among things he said:

    The more I work with the powers of Nature, the more I feel God’s benevolence to man; the closer I am to the great truth that everything is dependent on the Eternal Creator and Sustainer [Creatore e Reggitore Eterno]; the more I feel that the so-called ‘science’ I am occupied with is nothing but an expression of the Supreme Will, which aims at bringing people closer to each other in order to help them better understand and improve themselves.....

    I know how much you love and cherish the beautiful Nature - the expression of God’s Will - where one can find the ideal eternal values: the Truth, the Beauty and the Good (and you possess the three of them). The harmonious unity of causes and laws forms the Truth; the harmonious unity of lines, colors, sounds, and ideas forms the Beauty; while the harmony of emotions and the will forms the Good, which in being the ultimate expression of the Eternal and Supreme Creator brings man to completion and drives us to seek absolute perfection.

    Edison: Deist that believed in the Supreme Intelligence. He said:

    I believe in the existence of a Supreme Intelligence pervading the Universe.

    We really haven't got any great amount of data on the subject, and without data how can we reach any definite conclusions? All we have — everything — favors the idea of what religionists call the "Hereafter." Science, if it ever learns the facts, probably will find another more definitely descriptive term.

    Spoken shortly before Edison's death:

    It is very beautiful over there!

    What Henry Ford said of Edison:

    He felt there was a central processing core of life that went on and on. That was his conclusion. We talked of it many times together . . . Call it religion or what you like, Mr. Edison believed that the universe was alive and that it was responsive to man's deep necessity. It was an intelligent and hopeful religion if there ever was one. Mr. Edison went away expecting light, not darkness.

    But Thomas Alva Edison is probably the most agnostic one in the list you mentioned, in my opinion. Yet, only a few miles away from where I write this (I live near Edison's winter home) he attended this Congregationalist church which has long since been renamed in his honor:

    http://www.edisonchurch.org/

    Tesla: Advocated a religion based on the fusion of Christianity and Buddhism.

    While I am not a believer in the orthodox sense, I commend religion, first, because every individual should have some ideal--religious, artistic, scientific, or humanitarian--to give significance to his life. Second, because all the great religions contain wise prescriptions relating to the conduct of life, which hold good now as they did when they were promulgated.

    Einstein: A Deist, largely in the Spinozan mold. But he said, among many other things (all of these are seperate quotes):

    I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details.....

    The most beautiful and most profound emotion we can experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. That deeply emotional conviction of the presence of a superior Reasoning Power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible Universe, forms my idea of God....

    Einstein didn't like how some atheists misused him in support of their views:

    In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human understanding, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views. ...

    I can't answer with a simple yes or no. I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contributions to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and the body as one, not two separate things.

    I'll say it again: I don't believe in Atheists.

    BTS

  • besty
    besty
    How long were you a JW Terry?
    It seems that the scars run deep...

    very transparent proto ad hominem - why do born-agains have so much angst over another mans rational choice.

  • besty
    besty
    I don't believe in Atheists.

    Once you start 'believing' in magick sky men that are interested in your sex life, then not 'believing' in atheists is not much of a leap.

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    Will somebody please stop the bleeding before Terry passes out (again)?

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