DId Darwin kill God?

by PSacramento 34 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  THE GLADIATOR

  The bible is NOT the Word of God, it is the writings of inspired writers, of Men.

  Psacramento - I am trying to understand you but have difficulty because your statements contradict.

  The quote above would make sense if you removed the word 'inspired.' If these men are indeed inspire, then they are recording God's words. If not, then God is incapable of accurately communication with his chosen humans; yet you and I are able to achieve this simple task.

  Earlier in this thread you asked me:

  An extremist view, no? and do you apply that view to everything or just the bible?

  In answer to your question - Yes!

  I do not debate on this forum to score points but in order to learn and understand. The penalty for avoiding the hard work involved in separating fact from fiction, is to live a life being fooled and taken advantage of.

  Are you becoming more aware through your research or more confused? Perhaps you should read through your comments again and see if they actually make sense to you? If they do fine. If not, what do you need to find out in order to be clear in your mind? Question everything you are told, as you have the comments I have made.
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  PSacramento

  Psacramento - I am trying to understand you but have difficulty because your statements contradict.

  I apologise for not being clear.

  The quote above would make sense if you removed the word 'inspired.' If these men are indeed inspire, then they are recording God's words. If not, then God is incapable of accurately communication with his chosen humans; yet you and I are able to achieve this simple task.

  Inspired to write ABOUT God and God talking through us are NOT the same thing, hope that helps.

  We may communicate easily, you and I, but both of us are on the same "level" and we both, typically, have the same points of references.

  Can you explain and comminucate the colour Red to a blind person?

  If you can't does it mean that the colour red doesn't exist?
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  superpunk

  May biblical scholars do NOT view the bible as innerant, including the Late Bruce Metzger I think.

  Many do.

  Its not a question of, "we thought it was literal and know that is not the case so it is a metaphore". It's the case of progressive learing and understanding of the bible.

  I don't see why people have issues with that.

  It's a trend throughout history. The world is flat, our universe is geocentric. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a heretic. Oh, what? It's incontestable that these biblical concepts are false? Well, now they're metaphorical and God's communication to a primitive man (apparently primitive man couldn't handle the idea that the earth is a globe), plus we're really sorry we excommunicated and killed people who said otherwise.

  It feels like "cheating". And each believer/theologian draws their arbitrary line differentiating reality from metaphor differently. Imagine if the sciences acted in such a manner!
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  PSacramento

  Imagine if the sciences acted in such a manner!

  Science grows, it evolves, it changes and when something is shown to be wrong or different, it is acknowledged and either re-interpreted or dropped.

  The problem is when relgions DOESN'T do the samething, not when it does.
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  THE GLADIATOR

  PSacremento

  Inspired to write ABOUT God and God talking through us are NOT the same thing, hope that helps.

  This statement is in itself accurate but it ignores the fact that many of the the Bible writers claimed to be inspired BY god; not just inspired as in feeling poetical or in love.

  To ignore vital clues leads to the wrong verdict.

  Each time you post a comment your explanations move further from a path of thought that can lead to increased understanding. In short they lead round in a circle. I get the feeling that this is your aim.
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  PSacramento

  This statement is in itself accurate but it ignores the fact that many of the the Bible writers claimed to be inspired BY god; not just inspired as in feeling poetical or in love.

  Inspired by God to do what? write about him and even some, like Isiah to write his message.

  Each time you post a comment your explanations move further from a path of thought that can lead to increased understanding. In short they lead round in a circle. I get the feeling that this is your aim.

  I am sorry you feel that way and apoligise for giving you that impression.

  If you have a specific question to which I can give you a specific answer, please ask.
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  Life is now

  Darwin killed the IDEA of a Creator God for some.

  Who killed Darwin?
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  Caedes

  wherein each individual draws an arbitrary line around the bits that are historical fact and metaphor.

  All faith in holy books is based on an arbitrary line. Even the the most hardline of christian fundamentalists draws the line at taking slaves or wearing polycotton. Given that all faith in the bible is based on arbitrary choices where does the absolute moral authority that some christians claim, come from? On what basis can christians want their moral code enshrined in law?

  Darwin didn't kill god, holy books like the bible are good at that job.

  More shrimp anyone?
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  THE GLADIATOR

  Yes - PSacramento I have a question for you.

  Inspired by God to do what? write about him and even some, like Isiah to write his message.

  What research has caused you to arrive at the conclusion that Isaiah was inspired by God to write a message while others were simply inspired by themselves?
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  PSacramento

  What research has caused you to arrive at the conclusion that Isaiah was inspired by God to write a message while others were simply inspired by themselves?

  I used Isaiah as an example.

  Why?

  He had a message of Love, hope and understanding like the one given to us by the WEord of God, the Only SOn of God, Jesus.

  Inline with the Teachings of Jesus, Isiah's "version" of God is one of a loving God.

  But even Isiah was speaking ABOUt God and God's message, I don't think God was speaking THROUGH Isaiah.

  Isaiah was inspired by God to write the message of God.

  Because his views were inline with those of the Son of God, I see his views as being "correct".

  In other words, I "judge" the WHOLE of the bible (OT and NT alike) by the word of God, Jesus.

  Hope that clears it up.