Door to Door Message? A DIVERSION! Where does the MONEY go??

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  • Terry
    Terry

    Many mainstream religions pass collection plates and tithe, Witnesses, though repeatedly encouraged to donate, are not required to. You avoided the question. Do the Governing Body members live in mansions? If they do then you're right of course and I will apologize. But if they don't then you're accusations are off the mark.

    Where is the money? It's in building projects and other expenses that come with running a large organization. But the GB itself is not living as many other leaders of mainstream religion do.

    None of us knows anything! We don't know.

    We see the rabbit go into the hat. We see the magic wand go over the hat. We see the hat turned upside down and -----WHAT?

    NO RABBIT!

    We can speculate that the rabbit has been consigned to a construction project in upper Sandusky or we can figure somebody is concealing something somewhere.

    I DON'T KNOW where the money goes, you don't know where the money goes, nobody knows who is talking.

    That is the point of my post.

    There is no transparency in order to avoid the appearance of malfeasance.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Review this material:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/126895/1/Lets-Review-How-the-Watchtower-Society-Uses-Quickbuilds-to-Make-More-242424

    It's a pretty sweet deal for the Society, wouldn't you say? Let's say they loan $200,000 to a local congregation for building a Kingdom Hall. After the loan is paid back, they now have $275,000 (let's say) in the bank, and they also have a brand new Kingdom Hall, build with FREE labor and using other people's tools, worth probably $400,000. Their original $200,000 has been turned into $675,000 in cash and assets, assets which they are free to do with as they please (and they do, believe me.) That is an AMAZING rate of return on investment, isn't it? For a remodel, the local congregation might borrow $75,000, pay back $100,000, and increase the value of the Kingdom Hall the Society already owns by $100,000. The rate of return here isn't quite as good, but turning $75,000 into $200,000 is nothing to sneeze at, either, and these projects are much more common and numerous than new Halls.

    And now you know, dear friends, why the Witnesses are always building new Kingdom Halls and remodeling the ones they already have. It is an enormous cash cow, a huge source of income.

  • Terry
    Terry

    news perspective with analysis from cult expert Rick Ross

    07.06.06

    Jehovah’s Witness leaders work the worldly system for cash

    Posted in Jehovah's Witnesses at 11:49 am by Rick Ross

    Known for their persistent door-to-door missionary work and handout magazine called “The Watchtower,” ”Jehovah’s Witnesses” have repeatedly predicted the “end of the world” with a sense of urgency to anyone willing to listen.

    The  Watchtower in BrooklynHowever, the sect seems to repeatedly fail regarding its dates, including a purported final judgment set for 1925 and another that never came some fifty years later.

    According to the ”Religious Tolerance” Web site, which is known for its frequent apologies rather than admonishments regarding groups called ”cults,” the Witnesses have actually made many more failed predictions. The theologically tolerant site without apology lists 1914 , 1915, 1918, 1920 and 1994, as examples of additional Witness failures.

    Much more religiously conservative Christian Web sites have longer lists of apparent blunders, such as a “Watchman Expositor,” which examines the organization’s supposedly “biblical” calculations.

    Perhaps as a result of all these mistakes the Witnesses appear to have given up on the dating game. The group says now that the “end is fluid,” which sounds more like “hedging a bet” than anything related to the bible.

    However, an embarrassing fact still remains despite all the sect’s calculations, recalculations and subsequent spin.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses historically bought a great deal of real estate over the years in what seems to be a very shrewd long-term investment effort.

    But if they really expected the world to end so soon, why didn’t the Witnesses just lease?

    Well, the reasoning for buying up so much property becomes quite clear when looking at the group’s recent penchant for selling off some of its valuable accumulated assets.

    AsCultNews previously reported the Witnesses religious devotion apparently includes developing real estate in New York.

    And the controversial organization that some have called an End Times ”cult” has recently made millions selling off and/or developing its holdings in Brooklyn alone.

    Where there was once a Watchtower magazine warehouse and distribution center near the East River, “swanky condominiums” are going up with a view of Manhattan.

    And now the Witnesses have put more of their New York property up on the block reports Knowledge Plex.

    For sale is a three-story residential building at 409 Central Park West between West 100th and 101st streets.

    The Witnesses want $4.5 million for the “air rights” to this property and expect to stay on the first three floors, allowing a developer to build on top or adjacent to the property.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses also own a building at 960 E. 174th St. in the Bronx, which is currently used for worship.

    However, the faithful will have to meet somewhere else, as this property is currently listed at $1.35 million, for development as affordable housing.

    Knowledge Plex points out that many nonprofit organizations and other tax-exempted religious groups in New York are also taking advantage of recent real estate appreciation to sell off their properties for record prices.

    But the leaders of Jehovah’s Witnesses have always attempted to separate their organization from such worldly things.

    Witnesses don’t vote, participate in clubs, organized team sports or the military because to do so would somehow represent involvement with an earthly “system,” which is ultimately influenced by Satan.

    Witnesses claim that their organization is the only one today that is sanctioned by Jehovah on earth.

    However, it seems when it comes to making money, Witness leaders can be very worldly indeed. And they have no problem cooperating with developers and making savvy business deals to work the worldly system for profit.

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    Terry

    The Watchtower has substantial assets held via not only the mother corporation but spin-off corporations, mostly formed in recent years possibly in misguided hope of thwarting obtainment of assets. Watchtower sold one of its many Brooklyn buildings for $50 million ostensibly because wishing to relocate to northern New York though the sale also yielded liquid cash usable for future pay outs http://www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30/49/30_49standish.html. The multi-billion dollar entity has a database of its pedophile perps in all states that now may hold over 23,000 records, and seems more than eager to do settlement pay outs rather than have cases and such data proceed into court.

    http://www.watchtower.cc/

  • Terry
    Terry

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    Watchtower Society and Donations

    January 12th, 2002 Leave a comment Go to comments

    The WTS has often criticized other churches for passing collection plates during meetings. Other fundraising efforts have also been repeatedly condemned before 1990. After this year the criticism stopped and the WTS began to openly solicit donations.

    (B J Kotwall ; INVESTIGATOR MAGAZINE No. 73 2000 July pp. 48-51)

    The Watchtower Society (WTS) has often criticized other churches for passing collection plates during meetings. Churches that organize bingo, party games and other fund-raising efforts have also been repeatedly condemned. At the same time the WTS has emphasized that Jehovah’s Witnesses do not solicit donations! Comments like the following were common in WTS publications like The Watchtower (WT) and Awake! before 1990.

    w1987 12/1 30-31
    ‘Where do such funds come from?’ is an often-asked question. Unlike the churches of Christendom, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not take up collections or send out envelopes to solicit donations. Rather, contribution boxes—like the treasury chests of Biblical times—are set up at their Kingdom Halls.

    g1975 9/8 26
    …is it not a comfort for them to know that in the local congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses they will never be tithed to pay out a percentage of their income? Nor will unscriptural money-raising schemes be imposed on them. It is at the Kingdom Hall that an unobtrusive contribution box is located for use by those who wish voluntarily to give money to support the work of the congregation. Donations mailed to the headquarters of the Watch Tower Society are also unsolicited and entirely voluntary.

    w1974 9/15 559 The Kingdom Halls of this happy group are open to you and you may attend free of charge, without having to suffer embarrassment by a request for contributions or the passing of a collection plate.

    w1971 8/15 506
    The emphasis in all giving among the Witnesses is that it must be voluntary and spontaneous, from the heart. In fact, ever since the earliest days of the modern witnesses of Jehovah it has been their policy that never should there be any passing of collection plates or similar solicitations for money.

    w1962 5/1 278 How May I Contribute?
    Jehovah’s witnesses have never gone begging for finances.

    Boasts like the above stopped after 1990. Why? Because the WTS began to openly solicit donations not only from its own people but also door to door from the public—and not only on Sundays but every day! How did this happen?

    The California Board of Equalization wanted to assess sales tax on the sale of books, tapes and other items by the Jimmy Swaggart ministry. The WTS filed amicuscuriae (a friend of the court legal brief) in support of Swaggart’s stance that a religious organization should be exempt from such taxation. (The WTS considers all other religions to be under the influence of the devil, but in this case it joined hands with the devil!). On January 17, 1990 the Supreme Court in California Board of Equalization vs. Jimmy Swaggart Ministries ruled against Swaggart.
    One month after the Supreme Court ruling the WTS announced a new policy—that in the USA its literature which was heretofore sold at a fixed price should be offered free to the public and a donation solicited.

    The WTS introduced this new donations policy evidently to avoid tax on the sale of its publications. Asking for donations – something condemned for a century – had become acceptable.

    Moreover, detailed appeals for donations appeared in WTS publications. Notice how no avenue is left uncovered:

    How Some Make Donations to the Kingdom-Preaching Work

    • CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE WORLDWIDE WORK: Many set aside or budget an amount that they place in the contribution boxes labeled: “Contributions for the Society’s Worldwide Work—Matthew 24:14.” Each month congregations forward these amounts either to the world headquarters in Brooklyn, New York, or to the nearest branch office.

    • GIFTS: Voluntary donations of money may be sent directly to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, 25 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, New York 11201-2483, or to the Society’s office that serves your country. Jewelry or other valuables may also be donated. A brief letter stating that such is an outright gift should accompany these contributions.

    • CONDITIONAL-DONATION ARRANGEMENT: Money may be given to the Watch Tower Society to be held in trust until the donor’s death, with the provision that in the case of personal need, it will be returned to the donor.

    • INSURANCE: The Watch Tower Society may be named as the beneficiary of a life insurance policy or in a retirement/pension plan. The Society should be informed of any such arrangement.

    • BANK ACCOUNTS: Bank accounts, certificates of deposit, or individual retirement accounts may be placed intrustfor or made payableondeathto the Watch Tower Society, in accord with local bank requirements. The Society should be informed of any such arrangements.

    • STOCKS AND BONDS: Stocks and bonds may be donated to the Watch Tower Society either as an outright gift or under an arrangement whereby the income continues to be paid to the donor.

    • REAL ESTATE: Salable real estate may be donated to the Watch Tower Society either by making an outright gift or by reserving a life estate to the donor, who can continue to live therein during his or her lifetime. One should contact the Society before deeding any real estate to the Society.

    • WILLS AND TRUSTS: Property or money may be bequeathed to the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania by means of a legally executed will, or the Society may be named as a beneficiary of a trust agreement. A trust benefiting a religious organization may provide certain tax advantages. A copy of the will or trust agreement should be sent to the Society.

    • PLANNED GIVING: The Society has assembled information on “Planned Giving.” Those who are planning to make a special gift to the Society now or to leave a bequest at death may find this information helpful. That is especially true if they wish to accomplish some family goal or estate-planning objective while using tax benefits to minimize the cost of the gift or bequest. This information can be obtained by writing to the Society at the address shown below.
    (The Watchtower 1994 12/1 page 19)

    With shameless appeals like this, one wonders how the WTS could ever have chided other churches! And one wonders how many JWs have willed their few possessions to the multi-billion dollar WTS while leaving their own dependents stranded.
    A further point is that 6 million JWs donate their time to distribute WTS publications door to door in what is called “field service” or “witnessing” or “ministry”. This activity is said to be “voluntary” but the teaching is that JWs who don’t do it will be executed by God at Armageddon. JWs who regularly miss field service for entire months also face ostracism in their congregation and – if they try to justify their slackness – excommunication.

    Despite WTS writers often implying that the main source of funding is “contribution boxes” in Kingdom Halls, most comes from the efforts of six million JWs who trudge the streets and knock on doors to offer WTS literature.

    Furthermore, these same JWs are obliged to buy personal copies of all magazines and books the WTS puts out. The WTS has millions of captive buyers expected to purchase the publications without even looking at the contents!

    The WTS produces its literature at minimal cost. Materials are bought in bulk and every step in production is by “volunteers”.

    Whereas free-literature-for-donations came into force in the USA in 1990, it came into effect in Australia from January 1, 2000. Apparently, the Goods and Services Tax, effective in Australia from July 1, 2000, was the catalyst.

  • believingxjw
    believingxjw

    Terry,

    On this board there have been many posts on the lack contributions in the Watchtower due to the dwindling numbers, so they say. Many posts on the GB's need for funds and so on. You post "where is the money?" Well, according to this site the "money" is not what it used to be. You can't have it both ways. You can't say their contributions are down and then turn around and ask where all their vast sums are.

    Where's the Rabbit? The "rabbit" friend is religion. If you believe there is some hidden use for the these vast sums then put the exJW community to work in finding it. Usually large amounts of money cause individuals in power to abuse it by living well. You have not yet asked former Bethelites here whether the GB lives in mansions. You haven't because you know they do not. Do they squirrel away vast sums and leave the Watchtower rich men? No.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Many mainstream religions pass collection plates and tithe, Witnesses, though repeatedly encouraged to donate, are not required to.

    The WBT$ has huge contribution boxes at the back of Kingdom Halls..Collection plates are`nt big enough..

    You avoided the question. Do the Governing Body members live in mansions?

    If they do then you're right of course and I will apologize. But if they don't then you're accusations are off the mark.

    Your avoiding the subject of the thread..

    Where is the money? It's in building projects and other expenses that come with running a large organization.

    But the GB itself is not living as many other leaders of mainstream religion do.

    The money is in real estate and Stock ..Don`t forget the pedophile defense fund..

    GB members get to travel the world and do most anything billions of dollars will afford..

    I`d live in a little apartment too ..If I had access to the privilages,billions of dollars buys..

    LOL!!..

    ................................ ...OUTLAW

  • believingxjw
    believingxjw

    Outlaw,

    Did Ray Franz in COC claim the GB "do most anything billions of dollars will afford.."?

    Ray lived with the GB. He knew the whole story and he told it. I find it interesting when people who did not serve as close to the GB as Ray did go beyond what he wrote.

    By the way, I enjoy your pics.

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