Disfellowshipped People Are A Bad Lot (page 2)

lepermessiah

She says that people are disfellowshipped because they simply want to live their lives the way they want to and no longer submit to God's will.

Thats such a party line.......

That reminds me when the Nazi's purged many good, loyal German soldiers in the 1930's - they were completely loyal to the country, but because they didnt follow the Nazi party line verbatim, they were booted out and ostracized.

She needs to read In Search of Christian Freedom or speak to an elder who wont give her the company line!

There are countless examples in that book of very decent, honest Christians who were DF'ed for the stupidest things.

I have seen SO many flimsy disfellowshippings in my lifetime (even by JW standards)

Usually its when you get 3 self-righteous men who love playing judge, jury, and executioner.

You could have the meekness of Moses, the loyalty of John, and the repentant attitude of David and if you get the wrong 3 committee members or someone on a witch hunt, you are toast.

VIII

She says that people are disfellowshipped because they simply want to live their lives the way they want to and no longer submit to God's will. In other words, they want to do something that is immoral and goes against Bible principles.

Smoking.

People are routinely DFd for smoking. My Dad for instance. He wanted to be DFd; he went outside the KH, lit one up and waited for someone to see him. However, how is taking tobacco (a natural growing plant, paper, and chemicals) and lighting it immoral and going against Bible Principles? How is this not submitting to God's Will?

Seriously, this is one of the most Fucked up reasons to DF someone.

Getting Drunk.

Again, wine has been around forever. At least as long as grapes have been harvested and someone figured out that the grape juice that they thought went bad was really, really good.

So, you drink too much fermented grape juice and you get tipsy.

Suddenly you are not *Submitting to God's Will*.

Again, I gotta say, this is too fucked up for words.

If someone is a raging alcoholic, they need help not being kicked out from their support network of friends and family. Make sense?

Only the Cult of Watchtower would kick someone with an addiction and say "You swarmy bastard, you drink, get out. You might....do something we don't like. Oh, and like all those bible characters who got drunk, you're not submitting to God's Will. You're DFd."

FUBAR

Heaven

She says that people are disfellowshipped because they simply want to live their lives the way they want to and no longer submit to God's will.

garyneal, your wife says this because this is what the WTS/JWs tell her. It is NOT because she has proof or any sort of experience.

My Uncle was disfellowshipped. He was not immoral nor did he reject God. No one in my family will tell me why he was df'ed. My suspicion is that he discovered or realized inaccuracies/the lies and challenged the Society. After he was df'ed, the elders who df'ed him were df'ed. At any rate, he got re-instated several years later because he had not received proper cult-exit counselling, the rest of his family were still 'in', and his daughter had died so he figured he better get back as he wanted to see her in Paradise.

Heaven

Many knew Ed Dunlap and couldn't believe he was DF'd. (Gilead instructor, wrote WT books, a most humble person) So the explaination?

He had a brain tumor that effected his thinking........

This goes along with my observations that JWs are a cult for ONLY those physically and mentally capable. My Father is a prime example. He can no longer 'witness' because he is too old now. He can't remember things. He can't argue. He can't keep up with their changes. So much for this group being 'Christian' where everyone is loved no matter your circumstance in life.

babygirl30

If someone is a raging alcoholic, they need help not being kicked out from their support network of friends and family. Make sense? Talk about ridiculous!! The CO that was serving in my area (during a degrading 'drop by' with another annoying elder) proceeded to tell me that he knows ALL about domestic violence because his own sister was viciously abused by her ex husband who was a JW...for YEARS this dude abused her and nobody did a thing about it. Finally he got busted doing something illegal and went to jail! So the wife gained a divorce and moved in with her brother (this CO). Well, due to all the abuse, she had developed an alcohol problem. Her bro being an 'elder' and being in his house, he turned her IN and she was DF'd. What the HELL kind of brother does that? Obviously his sister was dealing with deep issues (which abuse brings on...I know 1st hand) and so how in the HELL is DFing her showing love/support - the 1 thing she would've needed most? UGH! It's just backwards thinking if you ask me. My mom used to always tell me that a person gets reproved because they are repentant and DF'd because they had a bad attitude. RIGHT.......

dissed

Hi Heaven,

Ed didn't have a brain tumor. It was a rumor that was started to explain as to why he could leave the WT, because nothing else made any sense.

VIII

Hi babygirl! I hope you are OK.

The addiction thing affected my dad so it bugs me that they use this as a way to *judge* people and kick them out and when they are down.

Using the language of "submitting to God's Will" and *doing something that goes against bible principals* also is ridiculous.

Simple programming that can be looked at with a clear head by us, now, yet when you try to point it out to a JW, they act like you are Satan.

ERRR.

sd-7

I'm experiencing the tragic results of this particular idea that has been implanted in the minds of many. My own wife feels so greatly hurt by my decision to walk away from this religion--or get kicked out, I should say--yet I told her just last night that she doesn't even understand WHY she feels that way. Her response was that I didn't acknowledge 'the faithful and discreet slave'. Okay. Well, who are they? Where does this idea of accepting a 'faithful and discreet slave' class as being required for salvation appear anywhere in the Bible?

I told her, through everything, I've been verbally assaulted by my immediate family, my character has been attacked, I've practically watched elders laugh at and consider as irrelevant questionable/false doctrines that are at the core of our belief system, and I've been shunned by everyone I know on the inside. But one thing that hasn't happened? No one, not an elder, not a relative, not anyone, has sat down with me and, using the Bible, proved to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that I was mistaken. No one. That's all I wanted. If they could do that, I would gladly suit up and continue 'serving Jehovah' (ie. serving the organization). But that didn't happen. I was thrown out.

And for that, I'm the bad guy? I'm the bad lot? Yeah, I made some mistakes, but I know for a fact that the elders didn't ice me for any other reason than my questioning the Society. Period. They had no other real basis, they knew it, I knew it.

It's easier to go with simple platitudes than it is to consider the possibility that 'the truth' might not be what it seems. It's easier to spout the company line and close the door of your mind and get back on the treadmill. It is so easy, but it is more painful than anything else. I tried it. I would know.

I'm just sad to see that this policy in particular has become, not a helpful means of adjusting people when they fall into a pattern of sin, but as a weapon to silence people, to control information. And to abuse people who are already having a hard time if they did sin in some other way, instead of helping them.

That's all I can say. Said too much already.

babygirl75

Jesus was disfellowshipped.

So true!!!! LOL I'm more Christian today as a disfellowshipped JW than when I was a good little JW.

Finally-Free

She says that people are disfellowshipped because they simply want to live their lives the way they want to and no longer submit to God's will.

Then there's the other side of the coin. You know, the people who cannot adhere to a code of ethics or principles without some big, bad, boogeyman (aka god) hovering over them for their entire lives. The only reason they watch their conduct is because they don't want to roast in hell, be destroyed at armageddon, or whatever. Without the constant threat hanging over their heads they have no reason to be "moral".

W

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