About Rutherford's family (page 4)

Leolaia

Leolaia do you have the link for that thread?

Here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/75868/1/Charles-Russell-Alleged-Child-Abuser

Lady Lee

Thanks Leolaia for the link. I have it saved now

Rutherford and Burlesque http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/8064/1/Joseph-Rutherford-and-Burlesque

George Fisher published his letter accusing Rutherford of attending Jolson's notorious burlesque show where he claimed he had the necessaary witnesses. When Fisher died his complaints died with him.W. Neiman however published Fisher's letter. Rutherford's response to Fisher's charge was that he was too busy to bother with such criticism. Some references send you to page of Penton's book Apocalypse Delayed. Penton references to the Golden Age 4 May 1927.

I did a search for the 1927 Golden Age but it doesn't seem to be available on the internet. There are many references to it however so someone must have a copy.

Mickey mouse

Fascinating topic.

Lady Lee

Fascinating topic.

I bet more than you ever knew, right?

Mickey mouse

Certainly more than the Proclaimers book ever told me Lady Lee! So much for a "candid history" of the organization!

possible-san

Lady Lee, Farkel, Nathan Natas, Leolaia, Mickey mouse.
Thank you for your replies and a detailed information.

The information that Rutherford went to a strip theater is a well-known fact among Japanese ex-JWs.

In Japan, there is the most famous website of anti-Jehovah's Witnesses.
The name of that website is called "Jehovah's Witnesses information center."
http://www.jwic.info/

It is written there like this in Japanese. (Since I translated, English is clumsy)

"He was publicly blamed because he went to watch a strip show with two elders at the evening before the Memorial."

http://www.jwic.info/history2.htm

Probably, the Japanese doctor who lives in Oregon, the United States, wrote this.

Moreover, in "freeminds", it is written like this.

"He used vulgar language, suffered from alcoholism, and was once publicly accused by one of his closest associates of attending a nude burlesque show with two fellow elders..."
(M. James Penton, Apocalypse Delayed, University of Toronto Press, 1985, p. 47-48)

http://www.freeminds.org/organization/rutherford/undoing-the-judge-jehovah-s-organization-or-joe-s-organization.html

http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:_WSLgiIdZ2oJ:www.freeminds.org/organization/rutherford/undoing-the-judge-jehovah-s-organization-or-joe-s-organization.html+J.F.Rutherford+nude&cd=1&hl=ja&ct=clnk

I ask you.
Since he did not go to watch a "strip show" in fact, do you think that those information is inaccurate?

possible

jehovahsheep

is the judge now in heaven,into oblivion,or in hell?

Leolaia

Since he did not go to watch a "strip show" in fact, do you think that those information is inaccurate?

Well, in fact we know exactly what show he went to; he attended the "Artists and Models of 1925 -- Paris Edition". This was a Broadway production, annually produced by the Shubert Brothers, and it definitely featured topless women. Here is a description of the Shuberts' Artists and Models shows:

"When Artists and Models opened at the Shubert Theater, like most revues of its day it provided a kaleidoscope of entertainment: twenty-four scenes in two acts, Samoan dancers, a send-up of the melodrama Rain, a vaudeville comic, and a blackface comedian. But the topless number in the first act accounted for the then record-setting 312-performance run. Prior to Artists and Models, topless women had posed onstage, but because of anti-obscenity laws, they had never moved. Here, the curtain rose on two 'artists' cleverly named Arthur Poor and Frank Famous in the middle of teaching painting to six eager flappers. Stage center, a topless model stood on a dais. A chiffon scarf swathed her lower torso like a diaper. After a few minutes, about twenty other models, also naked to the waist and under the glare of a spotlight, paraded onstage from the back of the theater across the stage. They wheeled around and exited to the left. Burns Mangle wrote in his review that he thought the flappers might have been singing. But Mantle professed to be so distracted by the spectacle of topless women moving onstage that he couldn't remember..... Artists and Models incited the attention of some of New York's anti-obscenity societies. But the critical response was largely favorable as journalists fell over each other trying to prove their sophistication. Some even displayed a Gotham City pride in the idea that New York had surpassed Paris in déshabillé: 'There is more female nudity displayed there at the Shubert Theater than ever before on any stage in the city,' wrote one critic, who then went on to reflect upon how the endgame of undressing women on the Broadway stage affected men. 'In the last ten years, the American male has seen so many female legs that the sight of it excites him as much as the sight of a carrot on a vegetable stand'. " (Rachel Shteir, Striptease: The Untold History of the Girlie Show, 2004, pp. 76-77).

Imagine Rutherford sitting there watching this on the evening prior to the Memorial.

Lady Lee

Leolaia

Great research as always!

possible-san

Leolaia.

Thank you for that information.

I think that that information should be spread also among active JWs.

In my opinion, Rutherford is a hypocrite.
In Japanese, a person like him is called "erotic old man (ero-oyaji)", and people do not respect him.

Naturally he did not do "field service" at all.
Probably, he was completely refuted from people in those days, if he did "field service."
He does not have pride and was not able to do "field service."
He is an effeminate man, IMO.

possible

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