Livestock - 1st and 2nd Plague

by elder-schmelder 15 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • superpunk
    superpunk

    why give later instructions to Pharoah to have his people get their livestock to a place of safety when earlier He had devastated it???

    Why, indeed?

    To me the whole purpose of the bible is to be taught by the most high. With all the contradictions I find myself completely distracted from the message. In other words God seems to be fumbling around trying to get his point across. I mean if you or I wrote a letter to a friend and It was full of contradictions how much credibility would I have?

    Dear Doublevision,

    The other night me and my friend Jeremy drank all the liquor in our house. Later that evening our armless friend JSHPH drove his 1992 Toyota CAmry over and asked if we had any light rum, so we gave him some.

  • tec
    tec

    Personally, I think most of the contradictions in the bible are where we have misunderstood the translation or misunderstood the point of the story completely. Sylvia could be right about the appropriation of livestock or we may have mistranslated all livestock for many livestock (or something else entirely.) There are many words that we have not used properly -or we have guessed at based on common understanding of scripture.

    On the whole, I believe we are given the correct message. But every line of scripture? I don't thinks so. I think faith, or at least an open mind/heart, is required to be able to appreciate this.

    Tammy

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    Why, indeed?

    Oh, the questions we will ask!

    How many years will it take to answer them all?

    A thousand?

    Sylvia

  • elder-schmelder
    elder-schmelder

    "The other night me and my friend Jeremy drank all the liquor in our house. Later that evening our armless friend JSHPH drove his 1992 Toyota CAmry over and asked if we had any light rum, so we gave him some."

    LOVE IT !!!

  • logic
    logic

    I think some of the problem with figuring this out is how much time elapsed between plagues.

    I don'think the Bible says. I may be wrong though. There may have been enough time to

    aquire more livestock from other countries. If someone knows of a time table of the plagues

    I would be interested to know.

  • Doug Mason
    Doug Mason

    elder-schmelder,

    Your observation illustrates the careful attitude that needs to be taken with these ancient writings.

    One must recognise the frequent use of hyperbole throughout these writings. While we might look at something for literal and technical precision, we need to cast our mind into culture of the time that the piece was written, as well as at the political ambitions of those writer(s).

    The 9th chapter of Exodus was cobbled together from several sources. Verses 1-7 and 13-34 (which you refer to) come from the source now known as E. These writers were priests of Israel (as against Judah), so these passages were created after Judah and Israel had separated, and they were concerned with Israel. If you wish to know more about E, the other sources and the person who likely combined these sources, I suggest the book, "Who Wrote the Bible?" by Richard Elliott Friedman.

    And after all this, we need to recogise that the original writings underwent subsequent editing, where further changes were introduced to suit the understandings at the times of the editors. Does that mean we do not know what the original writers actually wrote? Is it possible to unscramble an omelette?

    Some suggest that the Israelites always were the hill-dwellers of Canaan and that these stories of Moses/Joshua were created to say they were living in a God-given land. These were the objectives of the stories, rather than being concerned about technical precisions such as you observed. There are no archaeological evidences for a large group wandering the desert, which would have been the case if they had wandered about it for 40 years, and the ruins of Jericho do not support the Biblical account.

    So please read those words at Exodus 9 while keeping these external contexts ever in mind.

    Doug

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