by Mad Sweeney 508 Replies latest watchtower bible
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1-Yes but we- and MANY others have made that mistake- as the APOSTLES did in that reference!
2-Don't YOU think these are the last days- and feel the signs are there?
3-Because Hebrew is not the language in this couintry.
4- The SAME WAY HE LEFT- was unseen; he was lifted up, then HIDDEN BY THE CLOUD; that is why churchoids think he went to heaven as a zombie (Bloodless corpse, heh)
BTW- Thanks for a SERIUOS conversation1
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1-Yes but we- and MANY others have made that mistake- as the APOSTLES did in that reference!
Understood, but why continue to do so? Shouldn't it be enough to say that the End Will come when God so wills it to be?
2-Don't YOU think these are the last days- and feel the signs are there?
No, I don't but that is my opinion, doesn't mean I am right, just like your opinion doesn't mean you are right either.
3-Because Hebrew is not the language in this couintry.
A valid point since we do use Jesus, but the issue is that Jehovah is NOT even a tranlsation of YHWH, do you have kids? do you liek them calling you by your name? or "Dad"?
4- The SAME WAY HE LEFT- was unseen; he was lifted up, then HIDDEN BY THE CLOUD; that is why churchoids think he went to heaven as a zombie (Bloodless corpse, heh)
No one thinks Jesus is a zombie, well, besides those guys that try to be funny.
No offense, but your reading of that verse is not inline wiht what was written:
The angels told them:
11 They said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking up toward heaven? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”
So, in what way did Jesus go into heaven?
9 When he had said this, as they were watching, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight.
So, we can see that Jesus went UP into Heaven and a cloud took/received him and they could see him anymore.
So, for jesus to return the same way ( except for the direction, obviously) he would came FROM a Cloud and "they" will see him cleary ( since he is OUT of the cloud).
Now, who are they though? not the apostles of course, since they are dead.
Accorinding to Paul ( and others), ALL will see him, including those who pierced him ( in ALL ways).
Paul tells us that the dead shall rise upon his return and since those that pierced him will see him too, we take it to mean ALL th edead, hence the day of judgment motif.
Nowhere in the NT is this portrayed or even insinuated as a "private" or "invisible" event.
1- I believe these AREthe last days- because of the signs; so far no more dates! Or are you referring to 1914? If so, maybe you'll answer what no churchoid who also believes these the last days will: WHEN did the signs Jesus gave begin to take place?
2-Well, that answers part of #1; you DON'T see the signs? Or think WORSE ones LATER will be them? (Men ruining the Earth- Rev 11- is one NEVER happening before!)
3- Jehovah IS a fair transliteration- the "Y" is OFTEN replaced by "J" in other languages, like Spanish- but nonetheless- few would know what "Yahweh" is in THIS country!Illustration: A man named Michael, after 15 years, upon returning to an tiny island village he once visited,
was choked up with love and honor, when the natives ran up to him crying out " Nokkel! Nokkel!" It's been FAR more than 15 years!
4-"No one thinks Jesus is a zombie..." You'd be surprised; MANY if not MOST think he went tom heaven in that bloodless body BECAUSE they take it the same way YOU do! They did NOT see him go to heaven- he was HIDDEN from sight!
5- His Presence/ Coming is another subject; and rather trivial, compared with finding out who God & Christ really are! However, no SIGNS woul;d be NEEDED if all see a 700 foot tall Jesus on a cloud! (Pardon the sarcasm)
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1- I believe these AREthe last days- because of the signs; so far no more dates! Or are you referring to 1914? If so, maybe you'll answer what no churchoid who also believes these the last days will: WHEN did the signs Jesus gave begin to take place?
What signs are you referring to that Jesus mentioned?
2-Well, that answers part of #1; you DON'T see the signs? Or think WORSE ones LATER will be them? (Men ruining the Earth- Rev 11- is one NEVER happening before!)
3- Jehovah IS a fair transliteration- the "Y" is OFTEN replaced by "J" in other languages, like Spanish- but nonetheless- few would know what "Yahweh" is in THIS country!Illustration: A man named Michael, after 15 years, upon returning to an tiny island village he once visited,
was choked up with love and honor, when the natives ran up to him crying out " Nokkel! Nokkel!" It's been FAR more than 15 years!
Jehovah is a fair translation IF it was based on the actual name and not a combination of names.
4-"No one thinks Jesus is a zombie..." You'd be surprised; MANY if not MOST think he went tom heaven in that bloodless body BECAUSE they take it the same way YOU do! They did NOT see him go to heaven- he was HIDDEN from sight!
You are correct that no one saw Jesus enter heaven peer say, thought they did see him taken up into heaven and be received by a cloud.
The word hidden, though there in some translations, is NOT there in Greek.
5- His Presence/ Coming is another subject; and rather trivial, compared with finding out who God & Christ really are! However, no SIGNS woul;d be NEEDED if all see a 700 foot tall Jesus on a cloud! (Pardon the sarcasm)
As per ACTS, the angels made it clear and Paul echoed them, that when Jesus would return it would be a visible event and ALL would see him.
BY the way, I noticed you didn't comment on that part of ACTS where Jesus says that the Apostles will be HIS Witnesses to the whole world:
8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails.
Blessings,
Stephen
Hebrews 1:1, 2 -
In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.
God doesn't speak through the WT today, He used prophets in the past only.
Great scripture, Nice Dream!
Another interesting thing about that Hebrews scripture is that Paul was teaching Christians THEN that they were in the LAST DAYS.
