THIS is the very end of a compelling debate. If it grabs you go back and watch the whole thing.
DEBATE: Reliability of BIBLE TRUTH
by Terry 14 Replies latest watchtower bible
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tec
Thanks Terry. I missed this one. What I like is that both do present their cases well, and each of them ends their talk encouraging others to search for and find their own conclusions.
Tammy
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Terry
Limitations of inerrancy
Many who believe in the Inspiration of scripture teach that it is infallible but not inerrant. Those who subscribe to infallibility believe that what the scriptures say regarding matters of faith and Christian practice are wholly useful and true. Some denominations that teach infallibility hold that the historical or scientific details, which may be irrelevant to matters of faith and Christian practice, may contain errors. Those who believe in inerrancy hold that the scientific, geographic, and historic details of the scriptural texts in their original manuscripts are completely true and without error, though the scientific claims of scripture must be interpreted in the light of its phenomenological nature, not just with strict, clinical literality, which was foreign to historical narratives. [3]
Proponents of biblical inerrancy generally do not teach that the Bible was dictated directly by God, but that God used the "distinctive personalities and literary styles of the writers" of scripture and that God's inspiration guided them to flawlessly project his message through their own language and personality. [30]
Infallibility and inerrancy refer to the original texts of the Bible. And while conservative scholars acknowledge the potential for human error in transmission and translation, modern translations are considered to "faithfully represent the originals". [31]
'Sort of a last stand position of tepid proportions.
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mindmelda
I find the Bible useful, but hardly the last word on everything and certainly not free from error.
Does everything connected with the Big Sky God have to be perfect or it's crap? Can't it just be useful for some things and leave it at that?
Even IF God is perfect, that hardly means that humans and the stuff we write about him has to be. My testimony in court to what I've seen will inevitably be flawed and from my own point of view, but still has some value.
I hate it when everything has to be in absolutes! Aside from most mathematics, so few things are.
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Terry
Even IF God is perfect, that hardly means that humans and the stuff we write about him has to be. My testimony in court to what I've seen will inevitably be flawed and from my own point of view, but still has some value.
I hate it when everything has to be in absolutes!
Isn't that itself an absolute statement?
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agonus
Absolutely!
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tec
I understood that 'that hardly means' is Mindmelda offering another possible perspective. Do I misunderstand what an absolute statement is?
Tammy
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not a captive
The problem with the reliability of Bible Truth is there is always a theologian around to dictate what the Truth is.
It is hard to hold on to faith if we believe that "taking in knowledge of you, the only true God" is the same as "to know you, the only true God".
Foxe's Book of Martyrs is replete with stories of ones who believe that right doctrine produces right understanding--and enforce it.
That said, I haven't had a chance to see the video before work today--I only got to look at the comments.
Thanks for the conversation. Maeve
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Terry
For those who have not watched the debate (see very 1st post) a number of important issues are brought to light.
I'd like to hear everybody's comments ON THOSE ISSUES, please.