What are the percentage of reinstated JWs that really repented for their sins or fake their repentance?
by asilentone 15 Replies latest jw experiences
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asilentone
I could not correct my grammar as shown on the first title, percentages.
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yknot
I think human nature tend more toward justification than repentance........
In my KH I can only think of 2 persons.
The rest were just sorry they got caught and called on the carpet.
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EmptyInside
I don't know the percentages. I can only say what I have seen locally. The ones that have been reinstated in the last few years have progressed to become pioneers and MS. And they seem sincere, and I think they never have forgiven themselves really. But, I do know a couple of people that just got reinstated to fade out again. Well, I'm not a mind reader. So, I really can't say. My PO was disfellowshipped years ago, but he came back and has been an elder for years. But, then, I know others who come back and get disfellowshipped again.
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blondie
Good response, Emptyinside.
Well, I'm not a mind reader. So, I really can't say.
I hated the mind readers at the KH; I don't want to become one here.
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TMS
Elders cannot guage repentence. They simply look at the superficial: meeting attendance, submissive countenance, facial expression, the "correct" answers during a reinstatement hearing. Sometimes elders have personal issues that will cause them to extend the time a person is out. Some anal elders will make the reinstated grovel for the least "privileges" once reinstated. It's a total power trip.
tms
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Mad Sweeney
They don't know the difference between humility and being humiliated. They think by humiliating people their victims learn humility. It's disgusting.
As for how many truly repent, most DFd people I have known who returned, were still happily married to the reason they got DFd. If they were really sorry for their "sin" I wouldn't think they'd remain so happy in that relationship.
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aSphereisnotaCircle
I had a close friend tell me he lost his faith completely when he got off with a private reproof instead of a DF.
He said, "I wasn't one bit repentant, I do not regret what i did. I cried tears, so they let me off saying i was obviously repentant, but i wasn't, that's when i knew for a fact it was all BS, and there was no spirit direction".
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WTWizard
I think most of them really fake it so they can see their family again. But, I know of a couple that actually believe that they need to follow a certain code (that is, whatever the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger tells them) and are actually sorry when they violate that code. And then, they become extreme in self-righteousness after reinstatement.
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dozy
Just my 2p having handled reinstatement cases - I think in many , perhaps most cases , people probably do have a degree of repentance , or at least feel somewhat guilty. One of the problems is that people often are DFd very quickly when they commit their "sin" or are DFd in their absence - the reflection over the succeeding 6 months or 1 year often causes them to regret what they did. There is no doubt , though , that some play the system (eg have an affair , dumping their wife / husband , remarrying or ending the affair & being reinstated a short while later.)
One of the difficulties is that the very act of reinstatement or reproof leads many to feel that they didn't do anything wrong in the first place or lets them claim that the original decision was wrong. I've heard lots of people say that "I should never have been DFd or reproved" , which leads me to wonder just how repentant they really were.
Incidentally , TMS is absolutely spot on with his analysis.